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Post by Hourglass on Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:16 pm

A mixed bag. The first 25 mins were ok, loved Matts acting towards the Daleks but then when the "Chinese knock offs" turned up I groaned. I mean good god they look shit and this is coming from someone with one, badly functioning eye. What the hell is the grill on the back of them for, to pass gas? I also found the modulation made them hard to hear (The music mix also helped in that). Also, beautiful scene with spitfires utterly ruined by poor execution (if it had been a two parter and we'd seen preparations for the assault I could believe it). Finally, defusing the "emo" bomb....it felt very lame.

BUT despite the above, the first part was utterly fantastic. Nice performances all round, I loved the war room set and the air of mystery was superb. It's nice having a quiet and contemplating doctor again and this showed through very well here. I also loved the Ironside Dalek and it's a shame we won't see them again.

So basically a good episodes sadly let down by a poorly excecuted second half. Still though a delightful romp and had a real classic series feeling to it. Long may that continue.

The all important Castellan score, 7/10


Oh and I thought I'd share this amusing post with you

Poor Professor Bracewell
The unluckiest bugger in the world.

First Dorabella leaves him.
Then he goes through the first world war and everyone dies around him
Then he comes up with a solution to Gravity while in the bath and invents "Ironsides".
But then, he has his hand blown off.
And discovers that he is a robot.
Built by Daleks
As part of an elaborate scheme
And none of his memories are real.
And while he is coping with this traumatic news, everyone else just pisses off and leaves him to it.
And then his Ironsides try and destroy the Earth
A pretty Redhead talks him out of committing suicide, but not cos she wants to sleep with him. She just wants his brains. Churchill just wants his brains too.
He saves London. Wahey.
Then the Doctor punches him in the gob, for no discernible reason. He wasn't even resisting.
Then he discovers hes a living bomb
Then he's forced to relive his non existent memories of the first world war and everyone dying.
Then he's forced to relive his memories of some girl who didn't fancy him.
He doesn't blow up (Wouldn't the opposite reaction have been more apposite?)
The Doctor and Pond don't want to melt him down into scrap. Instead he can run off to Scotland to look for his long lost love.
And then have his heart broken all over again when she discovers that's a living bomb, or that he doesn't have a penis, or that he's under Dalek control.
And so he shall wander the fens and moors of Scotland for eternity until he trips and falls in a bog and accidentally blows up. Destroying the earth.

Yes. Professor Bracewell had a hard life.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:21 pm

I agree with Hourglass, apart from the fact that I liked the defusing of the emo bomb, with Amy evoking the right sort of pain - the bittersweetness of loving someone you shouldn't.

Does it actually hurt? I wouldn't know.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:09 pm

DOES-MY-BUM-LOOK-BIG-IN-THIS? Yes, it bloody does! Not a bad episode, though definitely weaker than the last two. Had some nice moments and, as Hourglass said, a great first half. But those new Daleks! Ugh! Why mess with a design classic?

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:11 pm

Money.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by Hourglass on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:13 pm

Terry Nation must be rolling in his grave if it wasnt for the fact he was cremated.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:18 pm

Hourglass wrote:Terry Nation must be rolling in his grave if it wasnt for the fact he was cremated.
He's gonna haunt Moffat.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:21 pm

Hourglass wrote:Terry Nation must be rolling in his grave if it wasnt for the fact he was cremated.
That would make it a little difficult...

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by felneymike on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:27 pm

I must say the gushing of "i love the new daleks" on confidential was a bit forced sounding too. And loads of different colours? That'll fill the stockings.

Also on confidential they said "Spitfires in space could only happen in Doctor Who". Oh yeah? I seem to recall a Commando comic called "Spaceman in a Spitfire". Oh and in the brilliant (till the non-sense-making ending anyway) "Ministry of Space" a bloke somehow accidentally flies a hurricane up to the edge of space, regardless of the laws of phsyics or sense.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:33 pm

OK, so this episode aside: what's going on, here? Three episodes so far, all of them with an underlying theme about things not being as they seem or not noticing the obvious (the door in part one, the shape changer, the mystery of the spaceship, the deception of the Daleks). Amy doesn't remember the Dalek invasion. And there have been a couple of what appear to be-but can't be, as they were clearly manufactured-glaring errors; Rory's ID badge in the first episode having apparently been issued in 1990, when he'd logically not have even been born, and now a poster for British Steel, a company founded in 1967, on a wall in war torn London. Is it just me, or is something a bit 'off' in this world the doctor's landed up in? And that crack is definitely following them...

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:48 pm

It's all deeply fishy.* In a good way.





*Fish-and-custardy?

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:51 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:It's all deeply fishy.* In a good way.





*Fish-and-custardy?
I'm thinking either time unravelling or parallel universes bleeding into one another...

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:56 pm

I hope it ISN'T time unravelling, because we've had too much of all that 'the entire fabric of reality is threatened' malarkey.

I'd prefer parallel universes. More interesting, and could provide an excuse for retconning all the stories we don't like.

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Post by Hourglass on Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:10 pm

Maybe the RTD universe (for sake of argument I shall call it fatheadverse) was some bizzare universe created by the guardinas who sealed off the doctor and co so they could repare the damage of our original universe. This would explain why fatheadverse was so shit and why the laws of logic and common sense were often broken, its a universe on crack.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:38 pm

I could live with that.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by felneymike on Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:11 pm

The 1990 ID card thing sounds OK but how many people really know British Steel wasn't around in the 40's? It's like the Cortina's dashboard in Life On Mars, not technically correct but it looks right

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:59 pm

felneymike wrote:The 1990 ID card thing sounds OK but how many people really know British Steel wasn't around in the 40's? It's like the Cortina's dashboard in Life On Mars, not technically correct but it looks right
But they'd have had to actually create or source that poster-and that would have shown up the discrepancy, surely? So why use it?

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by codywillis1 on Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:47 am

Irredeemable garbage. How they have the nerve to draw paycheques for making television this bad is unbelievable.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by GBF on Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:53 am

Totally agree. Watched the 're-run' last night (from where the Spitfires were firing on the Dalek ship). I thought I was watching Skywalker shooting at the Death Star. Spitfires...in space? And flying with propellors??!! This stuff is rubbish. Less than rubbish. And the guy playing Churchill!!! The music had a touch of 'Indiana Jones', the Daleks were made from plastic...too smooth, too clean (as my Helen put it). The robot guy was right out of 'Alien'. No fresh ideas. I saw the inside of the new TARDIS for the first time...to bright! It looked like what it is - a TV set! And the Doctor still looks like the puppet on Terrahawks...
And to trash that classic design of one of TV's greatest baddies...you guys out there are VERY easy to please considering this one...

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by tony ingram on Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:00 pm

I really wish they'd kept the Ironside Daleks around. The khaki paint job worked quite well, much better than the primary colours...

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by GBF on Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:47 am

It's called 'justifying one's salary'...if they don't change things, there's no need for them to be there, right? Tony and I could write and produce this programme - we're good at writing, producing and bringing things out on time. Well, sort of! study

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:41 am

GBF wrote:It's called 'justifying one's salary'...if they don't change things, there's no need for them to be there, right? Tony and I could write and produce this programme - we're good at writing, producing and bringing things out on time. Well, sort of! study
Actually, I'm prepared to bet it had more to do with flogging more Dalek toys. The kids all have the old Daleks, so let's give them new Daleks to demand at £40 a time-a whole set, in different colours, can't settle for just one...

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:34 pm

Definitely. It's all about the money.

(But I do rather like the new Daleks Embarassed)

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by tony ingram on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:59 pm

I'm glad you at least had the decency to look embarrassed...

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:02 pm

My problem is that I'm far too uncritical. I like all Who.

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:03 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:My problem is that I'm far too uncritical. I like all Who.
There speaks a woman who's never seen Time & the Rani...

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by codywillis1 on Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:39 am

Saw this again last night... nope, still utter garbage! Not even the magic Smith can redeem this rubbish.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by tony ingram on Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:04 am

Mark Gatiss really can't write Doctor Who. Not for TV, anyway.

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Re: Rate: Victory of the Daleks

Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:04 pm

The exchange about 'arch-enemies' at the end was quite good, and so was the demented Doctor bashing a Dalek with a hammer while it asked him if he'd like some tea.

And the design of the WWII Daleks was very good, although Gatiss can't really take credit for that.

Pity about the remaining 43 minutes of the episode.

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:19 pm

I quite liked the Ironside Daleks. That was about it, though...

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