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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by tony ingram on Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:38 pm

codywillis1 wrote:I'm rather fond of Sarah's feminist exasperation with the serving wench. "You're still living in the Middle Ages!" Laughing
Said without even a trace of irony, as I recall. Razz

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:53 pm

To be fair, it was the first time she'd ever travelled in time. She was still getting used to it.

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Post by tony ingram on Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:58 pm

I think what I liked about Sarah was that she was so natural and real, so completely believable.

Crap dress sense, though.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:55 pm

I thought you didn't care about stuff like that Razz

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:16 am

Lucy McGough wrote:I thought you didn't care about stuff like that Razz
The Andy Pandy outfit is enough to rile even the most fashion oblivious...

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:48 am

Whatever happened to FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, you NAZI?!? Evil or Very Mad

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:56 am

Lucy McGough wrote:Whatever happened to FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, you NAZI?!? Evil or Very Mad
Freedom of expression should stop before the point where supposedly sensible people end up walking around dressed like childrens TV presenters. Some things are just beyond the pale.

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by alanultron5 on Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:35 pm

"The Mind Robber" Ep one. Surrealism at its best!

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:39 pm

alanultron5 wrote:"The Mind Robber" Ep one. Surrealism at its best!
Single best episode of Who ever. Absolutely perfect. And made with no money as a llast minute addition to the season, too...

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Post by alanultron5 on Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:42 pm

They even cadged some spare robot suits from an episode of "Out of the Unknown" and painted parts of them yellow! (There are colour photo's) Sometimes, some of the most inventive works are done under duress!

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:45 pm

alanultron5 wrote:They even cadged some spare robot suits from an episode of "Out of the Unknown" and painted parts of them yellow! (There are colour photo's) Sometimes, some of the most inventive works are done under duress!
I think that was always one of the Who team's strong points. Can't use the studio because of an asbestos scare? Hey, no problem; we've a story set in a circus, let's just shoot it in a tent in the BBC car park! Razz

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:12 pm

Necessity, as Aesop pointed out, is the mother of invention.

Nevertheless, people should be able to wear what they jolly well like. People laughed at me in the street the other day just because I had a dandelion in my hair and it made me sad Crying or Very sad

Hey, didn't they make 'Midnight' because they couldn't afford any more location shoots or whatever? And that's one of RTD's good ones.

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:16 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Necessity, as Aesop pointed out, is the mother of invention.

Nevertheless, people should be able to wear what they jolly well like. People laughed at me in the street the other day just because I had a dandelion in my hair and it made me sad Crying or Very sad
the sixth Doctor would probably agree...


Hey, didn't they make 'Midnight' because they couldn't afford any more location shoots or whatever? And that's one of RTD's good ones.
I think the great shame of Midnight is that it wasn't made 42 years earlier. I'd have loved to have heard Bill Hartnell trying to cope with the dialogue...

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:49 pm

I'm nothing like the Sixth Doctor!

You're like the Ninth Doctor Razz

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:56 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:I'm nothing like the Sixth Doctor!

You're like the Ninth Doctor Razz
Except less northern. A lot less northern.

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:35 pm

The next Doctor should be Welsh, look you.

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:49 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:The next Doctor should be Welsh, look you.
Welsh, is it? And how will the assembled forces of evil be able to take him seriously with an accent like that? And how will the TARDIS even be able to ferry him about when all of its power is being diverted into the telepathic translation circuits just to keep up with the job of making him understandable to his companions and the viewers? Away with you, blodwyn. You're well meaning isn't it, but still away with the fairies.

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:51 pm

His companion could be a sheep...

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:54 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:His companion could be a sheep...
Lee-baaa

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:59 pm

It just writes itself, doesn't it?

"Stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes, Doctor!"

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:56 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:It just writes itself, doesn't it?

"Stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes, Doctor!"
The sheep could turn out to be Billie Piper: both mutton dressed as lamb and a Bad Wolf in sheep's clothing!

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by GBF on Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:30 am

The two best Doctors are northerners...we don't f*ck about up 'ere, tha' knows, lad! (I don't speak like that, but people "darn sarf" think we do - so we amuse them...they also think it's all like Coronation Street while we think it's all like Eastenders...which it is).

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Post by GBF on Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:33 am

Oh, NO! Just noticed I'm third in the 'Most Posts' race on this forum...that won't do at all...I may be some time...

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:27 am

GBF wrote:The two best Doctors are northerners...we don't f*ck about up 'ere, tha' knows, lad! (I don't speak like that, but people "darn sarf" think we do - so we amuse them...they also think it's all like Coronation Street while we think it's all like Eastenders...which it is).
The two best Doctors? Well, Tom Baker is certainly one, but who's the other?

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:35 am

There's only one Northern Doctor, surely?

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:40 am

Tom Baker and Paul McGann are both from Liverpool, and Chris Eccleston is from Salford.

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:48 am

Yes, but it's not like the Fourth Doctor has a Scouse accent or goes around stealing hubcaps. (Although he did TWOC that flying car in 'The Pirate Planet'.)

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:52 am

As far as the others go: Percy James Patrick Kent-Smith (Sylvester McCoy) is from Dunoon, Scotland and David John McDonald (David Tennant) from Bathgate, West Lothian. Peter Moffett (Peter Davison), John Devon Roland 'Jon' Pertwee and Colin Baker were all Londoners, William Hartnell was from Kent and Patrick Troughton from Middlesex. Matt Smith is from Northampton, home town of Alan Moore.

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:55 am

Lucy McGough wrote:Yes, but it's not like the Fourth Doctor has a Scouse accent or goes around stealing hubcaps. (Although he did TWOC that flying car in 'The Pirate Planet'.)
Nonetheless, he's still technically a Scouser. And you are buying into an unfair regional stereotype, there. Not all northerners are shiftless neer-do-wells who go around nicking hubcaps.

GBF might be, but he's not representative of all of them... Razz

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:50 am

tony ingram wrote:Nonetheless, he's still technically a Scouser. And you are buying into an unfair regional stereotype, there. Not all northerners are shiftless neer-do-wells who go around nicking hubcaps.
Yes we are. They breed us in cloning factories Very Happy

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Post by GBF on Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:16 pm

LUCE!!!! Cheeky bugger that Ingram, isn't he?! So - Baker isn't a scouser because he doesn't live there? Does that mean if you were born on Mars and lived here you wouldn't be a Martian? affraid

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:20 pm

GBF wrote:LUCE!!!! Cheeky bugger that Ingram, isn't he?! So - Baker isn't a scouser because he doesn't live there? Does that mean if you were born on Mars and lived here you wouldn't be a Martian? affraid
You can take the boy out of the north, but you can't take the north out of the boy. It's incurable.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:34 pm

GBF wrote:LUCE!!!! Cheeky bugger that Ingram, isn't he?! So - Baker isn't a scouser because he doesn't live there? Does that mean if you were born on Mars and lived here you wouldn't be a Martian? affraid
I totally am a Martian alien

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:39 pm

It's a little known fact that 'Lucy' is actually a traditional Martian name. In the Ice Warriors' language, it means 'glistening scales'.

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by GBF on Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:09 pm

I must have the out-of-date translater! I thought it meant "Time to change me hair colour!"

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:30 pm

*glistens*

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by alanultron5 on Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:31 pm

Re necessity. When the "Prisoner" was in production; the machine they built to be the villiage `guardian` (Rover) a sort of hovercraft like device, just kept breaking down! Looking skyward in despair, someone noticed a weather baloon which had broken free and was drifting actross Portmerion- hey presto! A new guardian, far more effective on screen, and much less costly too!

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:50 pm

That was actually quite effective-there was something very unnerving about that big white ball...

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Re: Last Who You Watched

Post by codywillis1 on Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:12 am

Saw Kinda again last night. Oh.

There are some stories it takes you a while to get a handle on, that you're not sure what you think of them initially. Some (Sun Makers, Silence in the Library, The Big Bang) turn out eventually to be real favourites. Some (hello, Morbius) you eventually realise you actually actively dislike.

Kinda, unfortunately, is definitely among the latter group. What's it all about? I've no idea. There are two major plots (Hindle-is-a-loony and the Mara), neither of which are connected to each other or even affect each other in any way, and could have come from 2 different stories. The Hindle plot also gets massively irritating after a while, and has a nonsensical resolution (if the magic Kinda box can restore both his and Sanders' sanity, why does it send Sanders barking in the first place?), while the Mara plot is much better done in Snakedance - Janet Fielding's much vaunted turn as the possessed Tegan lasting for all of - uh - one scene here. There are also some plot points that are just plain nonsense - why does the old woman keep giving the box to the men from the dome when she explicity states men can't open it without going nuts? Is she evil, sadistic or just deeply stupid? And I'm all for a bit of weirdness and surrealism, but Kinda just piles on random weirdness on top of random weirdness with no real point or purpose. The new CGI snake is genuinely impressive, but by that point I was past caring. A DWM reviewer once noted of Kinda that "It's not clever - it just tells you it's writer has read books by people who are". I think that probably sums it up.

The sequel, Snakedance, is vastly superior - a taut, menacing, smart supernatural thriller that is probably one of the best Davison stories. Kinda, IMHO, is one of the worst.


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Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:37 am

You've genuinely surprised me, Cody. Simon Rouse's performance as Hindle has always seemed to me to be one of classic Who's best! OK, admittedly it has no real connection to the Mara plotline, but that just adds another layer to the story, I think. As for Sanders: my reading of it was that the box works by effectively reversing the state of mind of the viewer. So, Hindle's sanity was restored because he was totally off his trolley, but sanders ended up as the gentle, diffident and childlike character he did because it was the opposite of the bluff old cove he normally was.

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Post by codywillis1 on Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:49 am

It surprised me too. I've never been a big fan, but I was looking forward to seeing it again as its been like 9 years.


Started off well, but by the end I was seriously hating on it.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:23 am

Takes all sorts. I love Kinda-I think it's clever, well acted, and really takes the show somewhere it's never been before.

Snakedance, on the other hand...

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Post by codywillis1 on Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:30 am

Wherever it took it - the land of pretending to be clever while really not being, I reckon - I hope it never goes there again. Wink

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Post by kembel on Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:14 pm

codywillis1 wrote:the land of pretending to be clever while really not being, I reckon - I hope it never goes there again. Wink

I've no wish to see the show return to the remit of S20-24 either Smile But I do like S19, especially Kinda.

I've just watched The Eleventh Hour again as a kind of taster for the return of the series next week. I have to say it was even more impressive than I remember on first viewing, and I thought it pretty impressive then. Although the series lost its footing a little bit with the next two episodes, (before picking up again with the Angels two parter), I think this is the best debut story for any Doctor since Spearhead.

Everybody plays their part to perfection, Smith makes a stunning debut, and the scripting is fantastic. The little flashbacks of the previous Doc's before 11 declares himself could have so easily backfired, so many iconic figures to live up to, but the combination of script and performance beforehand leaves the viewer with very little choice in the matter, you accept this newcomer straight away, and I remember thinking something along the lines of 'You? New boy! The Doctor?, well...actually...yes, you are!' I applaud both Smith and Moffat for pulling this off so quickly. People quickly forget the popularity of '10' and how he had made the part his own in the consciousness of the general viewing public.

The icing on the cake for me is the excellent Murray Gold score. I love the dramatic build thats conveyed effortlessly as the camera sweeps Amy's bedroom past the relics of her childhood, until the final reveal of the wedding dress. Good scripting, good camera work, even nice lighting, but its the music that makes this final scene work for me.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:20 pm

I liked 'Nightmare of Eden'.

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Post by kembel on Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:56 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:I liked 'Nightmare of Eden'.

Prefer Nimon personally.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:20 pm

But the evil guys in Nimon wear eyeliner, making it impossible for me to take them seriously.

P.S. Your post on 'The Eleventh Hour' was very well thought out, and I agree with all of it.

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Post by kembel on Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:00 pm

Hey, Kraftwerk used to wear eyeliner, and I took them very seriously.

Eitherway, the evil guy in Nightmare has the worst fake Germanic accent ever, making it impossible for anyone to take him seriously.

PS. Oh, ta very much

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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:28 pm

Maybe that is what German people sound like in... the future! *spooky music*

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:42 pm

Und vot is wrong mit Tryst's accent? It sounds authentic enough to me, ja?

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