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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:12 pm

That's the problem with moral rectitude. It can be boring.
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Post by MajorHoy on Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:52 am

Lucy McGough wrote:That's the problem with moral rectitude. It can be boring.
Do they have rectitude thermometers to measure how many degrees moral someone is?
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Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:58 am

It wouldn't surprise me. It's the sort of thing some church groups would come up with. There'd probably be a ceremony.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:49 am

Maybe in Suffolk, but the rest of the world has standards.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Silogramsam on Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:59 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:What's wrong with Barry Allen? Is it the bow tie?
I think it's more the fact that for years (after he died) everyone acted as though he was this great inspirational figure, whereas I'd always just found him uptight and rather boring.

that's the impact of a truly good guy on you?
I suppose you prefer Lobo?
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:33 pm

Silogramsam wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:What's wrong with Barry Allen? Is it the bow tie?
I think it's more the fact that for years (after he died) everyone acted as though he was this great inspirational figure, whereas I'd always just found him uptight and rather boring.

that's the impact of a truly good guy on you?
I suppose you prefer Lobo?
No, I just prefer characters with a bit more personality. Captain America, Captain Britain, Batman, Iron Man, Wally West...they're all basically good guys, but they have quirks, they're flawed, like real people. Barry was always slightly too good to be true.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Silogramsam on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:59 pm

he was late all of the time and he had a crewcut long after it went out of style
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Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:12 pm

Silogramsam wrote:he was late all of the time and he had a crewcut long after it went out of style
Well, yes. But tardiness and lack of style do not in themselves make a character interesting. Barry remained dull even when he was being tried for murder!
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Silogramsam on Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:04 pm

I think being tried for the murder of your arch-enemy who killed your wife is more than slightly flawed. And he lied to Iris for years about being the Flash. And he voted with the JLAers who decided to mindwipe Batman.
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Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:11 pm

Silogramsam wrote:I think being tried for the murder of your arch-enemy who killed your wife is more than slightly flawed.  And he lied to Iris for years about being the Flash.  And he voted with the JLAers who decided to mindwipe Batman.  
OK, OK, you've managed to convince me that Barry Allen is a terrible human being! Razz 
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Silogramsam on Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:42 pm


tony ingram wrote:
Silogramsam wrote:I think being tried for the murder of your arch-enemy who killed your wife is more than slightly flawed.  And he lied to Iris for years about being the Flash.  And he voted with the JLAers who decided to mindwipe Batman.  
OK, OK, you've managed to convince me that Barry Allen is a terrible human being! Razz 

right..so now you should like him more
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Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:30 pm

I've murdered three people! Like me!
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Post by tony ingram on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:09 am

I'll admit it makes him vaguelyy more interesting, though I suspect in none of those cases were things the way they looked on the covers. Those old cover artists did know how to draw the prospective reader in.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Lucy McGough on Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:08 am

Yeah, 'cos the story would end with the person waking up and finding it was all a dream or an illusion or something to do with Mr Mxyzptlk.
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Post by tony ingram on Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:14 am

I always hated Mr Mxyzptlk. He was such a lazy plot device. Can't think of a story this month? Let's bring in Mr Mxyzptlk and have him turn Superman into some random thing every few pages. Nobody will notice we did it three months ago...
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by MajorHoy on Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:54 pm

tony ingram wrote:I always hated Mr Mxyzptlk. He was such a lazy plot device. Can't think of a story this month? Let's bring in Mr Mxyzptlk and have him turn Superman into some random thing every few pages. Nobody will notice we did it three months ago...
Does anyone remember if Mxyzptlk ever team up with Mxyztplk?
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by tony ingram on Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:46 pm

As far as I know, the two imps never met.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Silogramsam on Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:58 pm

My theory was that there was only 1 imp, and he changed the spelling of his name when he started bugging the Earth 1 Superman.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Lucy McGough on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:33 pm

One of them is quite enough.
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Post by MajorHoy on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:56 am

Silogramsam wrote:My theory was that there was only 1 imp, and he changed the spelling of his name when he started bugging the Earth 1 Superman.
But, why would saying the misspelled name backwards return him to the 5th Dimension?
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by tony ingram on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:49 am

So, there was 5th Dimension One and a 5th Dimension Two? That's taking things just a little bit too far...
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:05 am

That's where multiple worlds get you. They keep splitting in two and proliferating, like amoebas.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by MajorHoy on Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:59 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:That's where multiple worlds get you. They keep splitting in two and proliferating, like amoebas.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:24 pm

Only multiple worlds don't wear hats.
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Post by MajorHoy on Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:40 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Only multiple worlds don't wear hats.
I don't think most biology students would believe that some amoebas wear hats, either.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:45 pm

Not even really small ones?
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Post by MajorHoy on Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:43 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Not even really small ones?
I guess I was wrong.

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Post by Silogramsam on Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:32 pm

tony ingram wrote:So, there was 5th Dimension One and a 5th Dimension Two? That's taking things just a little bit too far...
which is why I made by theory
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Post by Silogramsam on Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:33 pm


because, of course, there were these 5
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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:03 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
Yay! Very Happy
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Post by Mbast1 on Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:41 pm

My theory was that there was only 1 imp, and he changed the spelling of his name when he started bugging the Earth 1 Superman.

Wasn't John Byrne the one who posited they were the same being as the Impossible Man?
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Post by tony ingram on Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:45 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
My theory was that there was only 1 imp, and he changed the spelling of his name when he started bugging the Earth 1 Superman.

Wasn't John Byrne the one who posited they were the same being as the Impossible Man?
That sounds like the kind of theory Byrne would have come up with. Don't recall ever hearing it before, though.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Silogramsam on Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:18 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Mbast1 wrote:
My theory was that there was only 1 imp, and he changed the spelling of his name when he started bugging the Earth 1 Superman.

Wasn't John Byrne the one who posited they were the same being as the Impossible Man?
That sounds like the kind of theory Byrne would have come up with. Don't recall ever hearing it before, though.

this would assume that DC and Marvel universes were connected (and that the companies agreed)
maybe they're the same being as Q from Star Trek the Next Generation
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Post by tony ingram on Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:22 pm

Well, I think it was eventually decided that Trelane from Star Trek TOS was actually a Q, so it's obviously a small multiverse...
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Post by Silogramsam on Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:24 pm

Well, I think it was eventually decided that Trelane from Star Trek TOS was actually a Q, so it's obviously a small multiverse... wrote:
who decides these things? Did I miss the open discussion before this was decided?
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Post by tony ingram on Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:37 pm

Silogramsam wrote:
who decides these things?  Did I miss the open discussion before this was decided?
Peter David established it, I believe, in a Star Trek novel.
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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:26 pm

Pah. Novels. Anyone can say anything in a novel.
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Post by Mbast1 on Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:27 pm

Silogramsam wrote:this would assume that DC and Marvel universes were connected (and that the companies agreed)

In one of the Marvel/DC crossover stories (Superman and the FF maybe?) there is a short bit where you see him change from one to the other.
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Post by Silogramsam on Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:06 pm

Peter David established it, I believe, in a Star Trek novel. wrote:
who made him the authority and did anyone else agree (besides you, I mean, which, I know, adds a degree of certainty (I won't say how large of a degree))?
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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:19 pm

He probably made himself the authority Very Happy
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Post by tony ingram on Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:22 pm

Well, the novels have to be authorized by Paramount, so I guess they did. I gather the novels are regarded as "extended canon".
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Post by Mbast1 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:38 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Pah. Novels. Anyone can say anything in a novel.

Star Trek explicitly disavows the novels as part of their "canon", if that matters.
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Post by Mbast1 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:40 pm

tony ingram wrote:Well, the novels have to be authorized by Paramount, so I guess they did. I gather the novels are regarded as "extended canon".

Ok, what I read a while ago apparently no longer holds. Which is fine with me, I make up my mind on my own anyway about what I'll count.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_canon
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Post by MajorHoy on Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:00 pm

Silogramsam wrote:
who made him the authority and did anyone else agree (besides you, I mean, which, I know, adds a degree of certainty (I won't say how large of a degree))?
If you ever met Peter David, you would know he's a swell guy and quite trustworthy.  Wink 
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Post by Silogramsam on Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:49 pm

If you ever met Peter David, you would know he's a swell guy and quite trustworthy. wrote:
who are you really, major? Peter David? His mom? Arrow Wink Wink Wink Wink 
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Post by tony ingram on Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:05 pm

Silogramsam wrote:
who are you really, major?  Peter David?  His mom? Arrow Wink Wink Wink Wink 
His agent, I suspect.
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Re: Justice Society of America: World's Greatest Heroes?

Post by Silogramsam on Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:35 pm

like Agent 86?
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Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:40 am

I think I remember that show...Get Smart, yes? They used to run it on BBC2 on Saturday mornings when I was a kid.
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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:09 am

Did it make you smart?
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Post by Silogramsam on Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:35 pm

I think I remember that show...Get Smart, yes? They used to run it on BBC2 on Saturday mornings when I was a kid. wrote:

Get Smart, yes. I don't know what shows you got and what you didn't from the U.S. Britain gave us Danger Man (it was called Secret Agent here) and we gave you Maxwell Smart.
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