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Will You be Buying the Watchmen Prequels?

Post by tony ingram on Fri May 04, 2012 9:29 am

Speaks for itself really. Yay or nay?

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Re: Will You be Buying the Watchmen Prequels?

Post by Sam_Vimes on Fri May 04, 2012 11:52 am

I wish "I would sooner die" had been an option.

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Post by tony ingram on Fri May 04, 2012 3:58 pm

Sorry, with hindsight that should really have been included... Razz

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Post by Mbast1 on Fri May 04, 2012 10:57 pm

Sam_Vimes wrote:I wish "I would sooner die" had been an option.

I really like my LCS owner, but this issue is a pain. He is one of those people who think Moore doesn't deserve to own the characters (although if Moore didn't read the contract, that is a bit odd) and that it's only because I like Moore so much that I am protesting. He says if it were really an ethical issue that I'd have stopped reading because of the Siegel and Schuster heirs. Like you can't get to the point where "enough is enough".
I'm also thinking I may have to stop supporting Marvel. They're no better.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat May 05, 2012 8:23 am

If you mean the Gary Friedrich thing, I'm afraid that on that issue I'm not quite as sympathetic. Gary was not the sole creator of Ghost Rider, and he was selling someone else's artwork.

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Post by Mbast1 on Sat May 05, 2012 5:08 pm

tony ingram wrote:If you mean the Gary Friedrich thing, I'm afraid that on that issue I'm not quite as sympathetic. Gary was not the sole creator of Ghost Rider, and he was selling someone else's artwork.

That's part of it, especially the way they (to me obviously) used him to control/scare other creators. But, their long history of treating creators like crap is more the problem.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat May 05, 2012 5:17 pm

Fair enough. With regards to people like Kirby I agree, it was just the Friedrich thing which rankled with me, all the sympathy the guy was getting. Yes, he's had a rough time and Marvel could have been magnanimous, but ultimately he was claiming ownership of a character partially created by his editor and with a name borrowed from a pre-existing one, and selling copies of Mike Ploog's artwork for profit at conventions. I can't see that he had a right to do either. If Ploog had been selling his own work, Marvel would have been fine with it, copyrighted character or not, just as they have for years.

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Post by Mbast1 on Sat May 05, 2012 5:23 pm

tony ingram wrote:it was just the Friedrich thing which rankled with me

I read some about it, and he's not the most easily sympathised-with creator, but I don't think he deserves to be screwed over like he got.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat May 05, 2012 5:32 pm

Aside from Marvel rather pointlessly sueing him when they didn't need to just to make a point, which I disagree with, I don't think he really got screwed over. He co-created the character of Ghost Rider (but not the name or the most prominent facet of the design, the flaming skull) under a work for hire agreement, then tried to claim ownership in order to cash in on the character's newfound popularity in movies he had nothing to do with in which the visual depiction of the character was based on the 90's series which he also had nothing to do with. And on top of that, he was selling copyrighted images which were not his work. What case did he have?

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Re: Will You be Buying the Watchmen Prequels?

Post by Mbast1 on Sat May 05, 2012 5:35 pm

tony ingram wrote:Aside from Marvel rather pointlessly sueing him when they didn't need to just to make a point

This was the part that bothered (and bothers) me. It's pretty clearly meant to shut down future attempts to get money for creations, with no regard to legitimacy.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat May 05, 2012 5:39 pm

I doubt it'll work, somehow. I fully expect more such claims in the next few years, both genuine and spurious.

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Post by Mbast1 on Sat May 05, 2012 5:41 pm

tony ingram wrote:I fully expect more such claims in the next few years, both genuine and spurious.

And more fans whining about not getting their comics...

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Re: Will You be Buying the Watchmen Prequels?

Post by tony ingram on Sat May 05, 2012 5:44 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:I fully expect more such claims in the next few years, both genuine and spurious.

And more fans whining about not getting their comics...
Because that is so much more important than people being fairly compensated for their work...


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Post by Mbast1 on Sat May 05, 2012 7:28 pm

tony ingram wrote:Because that is so much more important than people being fairly compensated for their work...

That's the problem. For a sizeable number of fans, it IS. Otherwise, the publishers couldn't keep doing it.

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Re: Will You be Buying the Watchmen Prequels?

Post by tony ingram on Sat May 05, 2012 8:55 pm

There are times when I almost believe that a sizeable chunk of comics fandom deserves to be regarded as emotionally retarded nerds...

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Re: Will You be Buying the Watchmen Prequels?

Post by Mbast1 on Sun May 06, 2012 1:11 am

tony ingram wrote:There are times when I almost believe that a sizeable chunk of comics fandom deserves to be regarded as emotionally retarded nerds...

I don't "almost" believe it, I do. Enough of them that it taints everyone else, but they're often the loudest.

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