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Post by Philip K Ditko on Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:34 pm

Which 1990s comics didn't suck?  My favourites from that much maligned decade include Foolkiller by Steve Gerber & JJ Birch, the Transmutation of Ike Garuda by Elaine Lee & James Sherman, ClanDestine by Alan Davis, Black Panther by Christopher Priest, the Nazz by Tom Veitch & Bryan Talbot, the Last American by John Wagner, Alan Grant & Mike McMahon, Enigma by Peter Milligan & Duncan Fegredo, Real Stuff by Dennis P Eichorn, Aquaman by Peter David, Breathtaker by Mark Wheatley & Marc Hempel, the Books of Magic miniseries by Neil Gaiman, the Invisibles by Grant Morrison and Starman by James Robinson.


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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by Mbast1 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:29 pm

Philip K Ditko wrote:Starman by James Robinson.

I'm not one of those who think the decade was terrible, but this was the one comic that came to mind as a great one from the period. I'll add more if I can think of them.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by ramonschenk on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:30 am

There were LOADS. However, when we think back on the decade, the stinkers stand out much more.

Funny thing is, if you speak to twenties readers, they LOVE the stinkers! The nostalgia factor is a large influence here, I'd imagine.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by Sam_Vimes on Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:48 pm

Here is my list of untouchable '90s classics (as a child of the '90s):

Kingdom Come
Green Lantern by Marz
The Flash by Waid
Aquaman by David
Robin by Dixon
JLA by Morrison
All of the Superman. Just...all of it. Mullet and all.
Everything with Batman, but particularly No Man's Land and Knightfall.
Radioactive Man by Steve Vance
The Simpsons
Bartman
TMNT Adventures by Archie Comics
Avengers by Busiek and Perez
Savage Dragon
And, of course, Bone

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by BluesShark on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:35 pm

19th August 1993 alone made most of the rest of the fairly stinky decade worthwhile.

And of course other than Mignola unleashing Hellboy on the world we got Deperadoes by Geoff Mariotte and assorted artists (including the late great John Severin) and probably some other stuff I don't remember.

Was The Shadow Strikes 90's? Gerard Jones and Eduardo Barreto. Why, yes it was!

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by Philip K Ditko on Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:07 pm

The first four regular issues and the first annual of the Shadow Strikes bore 1989 cover dates, but you can have it. I just wish Andy Helfer and Kyle Baker had finished their storyline that preceded it.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by tony ingram on Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:10 pm

Nobody a fan of Quasar?

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Post by ramonschenk on Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:11 pm

I have each and every issue, even though the fun went out after the 40th issue or so. Loved the first few years!

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Post by tony ingram on Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:16 pm

I think it was one of the last really traditional Marvel comics, firmly set in that glorious continuity that they really don't have time for anymore and, thanks to Gruenwald's passion, exploring even the most obscure corners of it. The storyline on the Stranger's lab world remains a favourite to this day. Shanga the Star Dancer, where are you now?

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by Philip K Ditko on Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:08 pm

I was never too interested in Tom De Falco characters, but I want to know what became of Alpha the Ultimate Mutant,  Futurist and the Sky-Walker from Starron (or whatever he was called, the guy from the Stairway to the Stars issue of Daredevil).  My favourite Quasar stuff was when Greg Capullo was pencilling it, especially #18's story with Origin and Unbeing.  Mike Manley's art on the earlier issues was as rough as a badger's arse, and I thought Mark Gruenwald's writing went into decline on both Quasar and Captain America after 1992.


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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by tony ingram on Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:16 pm

Alpha the Ultimate Mutant was definitely a character with untapped potential. A shame he'll probably never be seen again.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by Mbast1 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:12 pm

tony ingram wrote:Nobody a fan of Quasar?

I was, and still am. Really fun character. One of those books of which I'd like to get a complete run. Then again, I want Gruenwald's Primer and Treatise, too.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by tony ingram on Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:32 pm

Mark Gruenwald was one of the unsung greats of Marvel. That he was taken so young is a genuine tragedy. Squadron Supreme remains one of my favourite Marvel series'.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by ramonschenk on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:30 am

I couldn't agree more. And although he had his clunkers (Cap-Wolf, anyone), his are one of the few runs of Captain America I regularly take out te re-read.

Squadron Supreme was awesome!

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:40 am

ramonschenk wrote:I couldn't agree more. And although he had his clunkers (Cap-Wolf, anyone), his are one of the few runs of Captain America I regularly take out te re-read.

Squadron Supreme was awesome!
It took me years to track down the graphic novel that followed up that series. I remember being rather annoyed that he killed off Redstone so pointlessly! Still, even genius has its off days...

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Post by ramonschenk on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:47 am

If Squadron Supreme is an off-day, I'd love to have more off-days like that! Very Happy 

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:49 am

ramonschenk wrote:If Squadron Supreme is an off-day, I'd love to have more off-days like that! Very Happy 
No, I was specifically referring to killing off Redstone for no reason as the "off" part. I didn't see any point in letting him survive the limited series only to kill him in the GN before he had a chance to do anything noteworthy.

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Post by ramonschenk on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:53 am

Ah, I see! I was wondering why I didn't remember that from the maxi-series! Very Happy

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:55 am

Basically, the Squadron took off in a shuttle to take care of the menace threatening Earth, and as soon as they left the surface of the planet Redstone started to wither away as he hadn't realised his powers tied his life force to the planet. He died before they could get him back to Earth, so he never got a chance to engage the enemy.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by ramonschenk on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:57 am

Yeah, I read the book, but have not re-read it recently, so I did not remember all that. I'll have to give it another shot soon!

Does seem rather wasteful of a good character!

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:01 am

I also want to know what happened to the real Moonglow, Ape X and the various characters being stored in the Hibernaculum in case they could be revived...

And whatever became of Quagmire?

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by Mbast1 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:10 pm

tony ingram wrote:It took me years to track down the graphic novel that followed up that series. ...

I had the GN, and wound up selling it at a low point. That, Miracleman (the complete Moore/Gaiman run), and a few others I missed for years. That said, there's a trade with that GN and some other SS stories in it. Well worth the price.
I think many people underestimate the SS and its importance to the 80's growth of the superhero genre. Sure, it's got some goofiness to it at times (at least I remember thinking some parts were a bit goofy) but the idea of having the heroes take over when everything else failed was/is a good story move. It was a serious take on something that should have happened more often than it did, given how bad the power structures in most comics were, how corrupt both government and corporate powers were.
I miss the man's work.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:58 pm

I agree. It actually was quite groundbreaking. Gruenwald never got the level of respect he deserved.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by MajorHoy on Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:57 pm

My problem with the 1990s was I became so tired of comic books by about 1995 . . . there were so many things that seemed unoriginal repeats of stories that came before then, or there was all that crap from early Image that fanboys just drooled over because they thought they'd sell it in a few years and become multi-millionaires.

I quit regularly buying comic books in +/-Spring of 1995 and didn't start regularly buying them again until 2010-2011.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by tony ingram on Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:16 pm

I never gave up on comics, but the mid 90s certainly marked my lowest point as far as interest in them went. I was buying less Marvel in particular, by then, than at any other point in my life.

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Re: Weren't the 90s great?

Post by Lucy McGough on Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:25 pm

The 90s were so cool! The sun shone every day and there were Tamagotchis and Pokémon and Mr Freeze ice lollies.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:10 am

Lucy McGough wrote:The 90s were so cool! The sun shone every day and there were Tamagotchis and Pokémon and Mr Freeze ice lollies.
And Tony Blair. And Mark Millar. And Rob Liefeld...

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:34 am

They didn't really impact on my life. It was all about the Monster Munch and swings in the park.

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Post by MajorHoy on Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:15 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:They didn't really impact on my life. It was all about the Monster Munch and swings in the park.
"Monster Munch"? We apparently didn't get those over here.

And are you talking the Smiths version or the Walker version?

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:32 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:They didn't really impact on my life. It was all about the Monster Munch and swings in the park.
"Monster Munch"? We apparently didn't get those over here.

And are you talking the Smiths version or the Walker version?
They changed ownership in 1995, so Lucy would almost certainly be referring to the later Walkers version, I would think. The original version had bigger monsters.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:41 pm

I never noticed them changing size at the time...

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Post by MajorHoy on Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:50 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:I never noticed them changing size at the time...
Probably all the chemicals and other additives they used made you forget.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:07 pm

Not to mention preservatives, flavourings, colours and E numbers.

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Post by MajorHoy on Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:28 am

Lucy McGough wrote:Not to mention preservatives, flavourings, colours and E numbers.
Doesn't sound very organic (let alone wholesome and nutritious) . . .

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:20 pm

I don't bother eating healthily. But I should Sad

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Post by tony ingram on Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:58 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:I don't bother eating healthily. But I should Sad
I like cheese. And bacon. And pork ribs. And curries. And beer. Are they healthy?

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:29 pm

No, but they're fun.

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Post by MajorHoy on Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:56 pm

Speaking of the 1990s (as opposed to the 1890s), . . . http://living.msn.com/home-decor/interior-design/the-90s-tv-show-bedrooms-you-wished-you-lived-in-1

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:08 am

It was not a great time for interior design. Or exterior design. Or any design.


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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:39 am

It was a more innocent time.

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:22 am

Lucy McGough wrote:It was a more innocent time.
It bloody wasn't! Razz 

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Post by MajorHoy on Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:03 pm

I think it was a more clueless time, personally . . . but I'm old.

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:17 pm

MajorHoy wrote:I think it was a more clueless time, personally . . . but I'm old.
I'm younger than you (I think) and I agree.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:33 pm

tony ingram wrote:It bloody wasn't! Razz 
It was for me! I was seven!

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:34 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:
tony ingram wrote:It bloody wasn't! Razz 
It was for me! I was seven!
What, for ten years!? Shocked 

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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:22 pm

That's what it felt like Smile

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:28 pm

"Not a complete retard." That's catchy. I may put it in my sig.

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