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Post by tony ingram on Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:19 pm

The Flash first appeared on newsstands in November 1939, 75 years ago this month. The exact date is difficult to establish, but November 20th seems to be the one most people are going for-although DC, predictably, have decreed that his actual anniversary is January 2015, since January was the cover date. Happy anniversary, Jay Garrick: no doubt DC will turn the whole thing into a celebration of that johnny-come-lately with the red cowl, but some of us remember who started it all!

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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by tony ingram on Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:40 pm

"It's my birthday, you fleet footed fake! Why couldn't you just stay dead?"

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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by Mbast1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:47 pm

tony ingram wrote:Happy anniversary, Jay Garrick

I always though the GA Flash has a much cooler costume. Happy Anniversary, for sure!
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by tony ingram on Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:25 am

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:Happy anniversary, Jay Garrick

I always though the GA Flash has a much cooler costume. Happy Anniversary, for sure!
He does. How can you not respect a man in a winged hat?
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by MajorHoy on Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:33 am

tony ingram wrote:The Flash first appeared on newsstands in November 1939, 75 years ago this month. The exact date is difficult to establish, but November 20th seems to be the one most people are going for-although DC, predictably, have decreed that his actual anniversary is January 2015, since January was the cover date. Happy anniversary, Jay Garrick: no doubt DC will turn the whole thing into a celebration of that johnny-come-lately with the red cowl, . . .
You mean Wally?
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by tony ingram on Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:48 am

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:The Flash first appeared on newsstands in November 1939, 75 years ago this month. The exact date is difficult to establish, but November 20th seems to be the one most people are going for-although DC, predictably, have decreed that his actual anniversary is January 2015, since January was the cover date. Happy anniversary, Jay Garrick: no doubt DC will turn the whole thing into a celebration of that johnny-come-lately with the red cowl, . . .
You mean Wally?
No, the other one. The boring one.
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by MajorHoy on Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:20 pm

tony ingram wrote: . . . although DC, predictably, have decreed that his actual anniversary is January 2015, since January was the cover date. Happy anniversary, Jay Garrick: no doubt DC will turn the whole thing into a celebration of that johnny-come-lately with the red cowl, but some of us remember who started it all!
And, unfortunately, they pretty much did focus on Barry for that.

The best Jay could do was:

an appearance on one variant cover. Rolling Eyes

Here's hoping he'll return (and stay around) by at least his 80th anniversary.

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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by tony ingram on Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:14 pm

I'm still optimistic!
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by MajorHoy on Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:46 am

tony ingram wrote:I'm still optimistic!
I'd dial that down a little to just "hopeful" these days. Sad
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by Lucy Ingram on Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:16 am

Maybe they'll bring Jay back when they've finished dealing with the fallout from bringing Wally back.
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Post by tony ingram on Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:09 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Maybe they'll bring Jay back when they've finished dealing with the fallout from bringing Wally back.
I think you're right.
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by MajorHoy on Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:54 am

The thing is, after the fake-out they pulled with Jay's return in "The Button" crossover (He's back! No, wait, he's gone again!), I don't know if/how likely it would be to have Jay play any major part in Flash War. It would be nice if he was included, but it would also make it seem like "The Button" appearance was a cruel joke on us desperate fans.
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by Lucy Ingram on Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:15 am

I think he'll come back after Flash War.
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by tony ingram on Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:59 am

MajorHoy wrote:The thing is, after the fake-out they pulled with Jay's return in "The Button" crossover (He's back! No, wait, he's gone again!), I don't know if/how likely it would be to have Jay play any major part in Flash War. It would be nice if he was included, but it would also make it seem like "The Button" appearance was a cruel joke on us desperate fans.
I didn't see it as "fake-out", and certainly not as a cruel joke. It was part of the build-up to a storyline, a long term plan. Your priority is them getting the character back in play as soon as possible, and I suspect that everything else to do with the storyline is largely irrelevant to you. But their priority is telling a story over the long term and, being a business, selling as many comics a possible while doing it. That's not unreasonable. It's how they make their living, after all! Like it or not, it's now standard practice for writers to plan out story arcs well in advance that will take several years to come to fruition.
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by MajorHoy on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:26 pm

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:The thing is, after the fake-out they pulled with Jay's return in "The Button" crossover (He's back! No, wait, he's gone again!), I don't know if/how likely it would be to have Jay play any major part in Flash War. It would be nice if he was included, but it would also make it seem like "The Button" appearance was a cruel joke on us desperate fans.
I didn't see it as "fake-out", and certainly not as a cruel joke. It was part of the build-up to a storyline, a long term plan. Your priority is them getting the character back in play as soon as possible, and I suspect that everything else to do with the storyline is largely irrelevant to you. But their priority is telling a story over the long term and, being a business, selling as many comics a possible while doing it. That's not unreasonable. It's how they make their living, after all! Like it or not, it's now standard practice for writers to plan out story arcs well in advance that will take several years to come to fruition.
With the cover-hype and everything, that to me makes a difference.
If it was a part of a story where they weren't pushing his return for several months in advance, or it was at least just a variant cover image, I could maybe buy in to your argument. But not with how they actually did this in the final version, plus the fact that a year later we're . . . ?

Mad
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by tony ingram on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:49 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:The thing is, after the fake-out they pulled with Jay's return in "The Button" crossover (He's back! No, wait, he's gone again!), I don't know if/how likely it would be to have Jay play any major part in Flash War. It would be nice if he was included, but it would also make it seem like "The Button" appearance was a cruel joke on us desperate fans.
I didn't see it as "fake-out", and certainly not as a cruel joke. It was part of the build-up to a storyline, a long term plan. Your priority is them getting the character back in play as soon as possible, and I suspect that everything else to do with the storyline is largely irrelevant to you. But their priority is telling a story over the long term and, being a business, selling as many comics a possible while doing it. That's not unreasonable. It's how they make their living, after all! Like it or not, it's now standard practice for writers to plan out story arcs well in advance that will take several years to come to fruition.
With the cover-hype and everything, that to me makes a difference.
If it was a part of a story where they weren't pushing his return for several months in advance, or it was at least just a variant cover image, I could maybe buy in to your argument. But not with how they actually did this in the final version, plus the fact that a year later we're . . . ?

Mad
But we already knew the JSA would not be back until at least Doomsday Clock, so it was never likely to be more than a way of keeping the momentum of the ongoing story going. They were never really likely to bring Jay back without the rest of his team. You're focusing on the return of the JSA as though it's simply a thing in itself, because it's what you're interested in, but as far as DC are concerned it's just one component of a several years long story arc that began with the Rebirth one-shot, was building up to Doomsday Clock, and may well end up being resolved in a project yet to be formally announced. Bits and pieces of it are unfolding at different rates, like Wally West's story in Flash and Titans. The Legion thing with Saturn Girl is only now being addressed, too.
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by MajorHoy on Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:29 pm

tony ingram wrote:But we already knew the JSA would not be back until at least Doomsday Clock,
Did we?
The Flash #22 came out May 17, 2017.
Doomsday Clock wasn't specifically being mentioned until about that same time.
(It only seems like an eternity ago . . . )


tony ingram wrote:You're focusing on the return of the JSA as though it's simply a thing in itself, because it's what you're interested in, but as far as DC are concerned it's just one component of a several years long story arc that began with the Rebirth one-shot, was building up to Doomsday Clock, and may well end up being resolved in a project yet to be formally announced. Bits and pieces of it are unfolding at different rates, . . .
Slowly, like a form of torture?
And, yes, I may be focusing just on the JSA's return, but when they first teased that in DC Universe: Rebirth #1 in May of 2016 and, two years later, we're still not seemingly anywhere closer to learning more beyond mentions and hints, I get tired of just promises, promises without the actual reward.
DC may be calculating that people will hang on longer and keep buying their comics, but I'm buying less and less and just about ready to give up on them AGAIN.
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by MajorHoy on Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:25 pm

MajorHoy wrote:The thing is, after the fake-out they pulled with Jay's return in "The Button" crossover (He's back! No, wait, he's gone again!), I don't know if/how likely it would be to have Jay play any major part in Flash War. It would be nice if he was included, but it would also make it seem like "The Button" appearance was a cruel joke on us desperate fans.
Next week will mark the last chapter in Flash War.


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Wonder if Jay will show up (and stay around?) in that issue?

Variant cover:
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by tony ingram on Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:08 am

I think it's more likely Jay will return when the rest of the JSA do, though we may get Jesse, Max and Bart back. I've been enjoying this story a lot, though
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:11 pm

Well, I've now read Flash #50 and thoroughly enjoyed it. Nice twist at the end, as just when we thought it had all ended in misery and anticlimax
Spoiler:
Impulse returns!
Ok, it may not have been the result Wally West was hoping for, but I'm happy with it...
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by Lucy Ingram on Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:25 am

Me too! A welcome antidote to all the angst (an angstidote?).
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by MajorHoy on Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:25 am

from All-Star Squadron Annual No. 1 (1982):

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Post by Lucy Ingram on Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:16 am

Poor Jay Garrick. He's got no neck Sad
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Post by MajorHoy on Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:46 pm

from Secret Origins #9 (December 1986):

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Post by tony ingram on Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:31 pm

That was one of my favourite books of the eighties.
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Post by MajorHoy on Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:57 pm

tony ingram wrote:That was one of my favourite books of the eighties.
Yeah, I loved how we got to revisit all the origins of the Golden Age characters in that series.
(Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much of Roy's work was eventually discarded by later writers . . .)
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Post by tony ingram on Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:07 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:That was one of my favourite books of the eighties.
Yeah, I loved how we got to revisit all the origins of the Golden Age characters in that series.
(Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much of Roy's work was eventually discarded by later writers . . .)
Surprisingly little, I think. One notable exception being Captain Marvel, whose origin was revised three times in eight years...
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Post by MajorHoy on Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:40 am

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:That was one of my favourite books of the eighties.
Yeah, I loved how we got to revisit all the origins of the Golden Age characters in that series.
(Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much of Roy's work was eventually discarded by later writers . . .)
Surprisingly little, I think. One notable exception being Captain Marvel, whose origin was revised three times in eight years...
I know Roy's version of Crimson Avenger and his history of Wes Dodds have not survived without changes. With Wes, Roy had killed off Dian Belmont as an explanation for why Wes changed his Sandman costume to the purple-and-gold version and gained his sidekick Sandy, but years later (after Wes' new stories in Sandman Mystery Theatre) Dian was still alive in the 1990s (as seen in James Robinson's Starman).
As for Lee Travis / The Crimson Avenger, he seemed to have a bit of an origin shift in Golden Age Secret Files & Origins #1 (2001) from the version Roy Thomas first told in Secret Origins #5.
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Re: Happy 75th Anniversary, Flash!

Post by tony ingram on Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:23 am

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:That was one of my favourite books of the eighties.
Yeah, I loved how we got to revisit all the origins of the Golden Age characters in that series.
(Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much of Roy's work was eventually discarded by later writers . . .)
Surprisingly little, I think. One notable exception being Captain Marvel, whose origin was revised three times in eight years...
I know Roy's version of Crimson Avenger and his history of Wes Dodds have not survived without changes. With Wes, Roy had killed off Dian Belmont as an explanation for why Wes changed his Sandman costume to the purple-and-gold version and gained his sidekick Sandy, but years later (after Wes' new stories in Sandman Mystery Theatre) Dian was still alive in the 1990s (as seen in James Robinson's Starman).
As for Lee Travis / The Crimson Avenger, he seemed to have a bit of an origin shift in Golden Age Secret Files & Origins #1 (2001) from the version Roy Thomas first told in Secret Origins #5.
I remember the Sandman revision, but I'll have to check out the Secret Files issue. Must admit, I never paid that much attention to the Crimson's history...
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