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Post by Sam_Vimes on Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:12 pm

That Constantine movie's all right if you don't think of him as being Constantine. I mean, it was clear the filmmakers didn't.

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Post by tony ingram on Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:14 pm

I don't think anyone associated with it had ever read Hellblazer or Swamp Thing.

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Post by Mbast1 on Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:33 pm

tony ingram wrote:I don't think anyone associated with it had ever read Hellblazer or Swamp Thing.

I think they did, actually. In that a large part of the plot was lifted directly from the books. I remember thinking at the time that it was odd they could get the characterization so wrong, but take that piece.

Then, I looked at it as another "not-the-comic" moment. It's different, but it's a movie. Taken as a movie I thought it was ok.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:35 am

I think I just couldn't get past John not being British.

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Post by Mbast1 on Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:17 pm

tony ingram wrote:I think I just couldn't get past John not being British.

Which I don't get, in that it was a change for no real reason. I like Keanu Reeves as an actor, but why did it have to be him? Were no English actors available?
You could argue that "middle-America" wouldn't like an English actor as the main character, but I'd argue that anyone who was going to see this movie in the first place wouldn't have had a problem. I'd have preferred one, but that's because I DO see the character as British.

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:48 am

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:I think I just couldn't get past John not being British.

Which I don't get, in that it was a change for no real reason. I like Keanu Reeves as an actor, but why did it have to be him? Were no English actors available?
You could argue that "middle-America" wouldn't like an English actor as the main character, but I'd argue that anyone who was going to see this movie in the first place wouldn't have had a problem. I'd have preferred one, but that's because I DO see the character as British.
I suspect it was less because Keanu was American and more because he was Keanu. I don't think they'd have had enough confidence in the project to make it without a 'name' actor.

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:50 pm

I think that's true. Ever since "The Matrix" Keanu's name gets stuff MADE.

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:52 pm

Oh, hey, Mike: While you were watching The Flash, did you subscribe to the theory that Wells was actually Barry from the future? Because I did, and I'm still really disappointed that that wasn't the way they went.

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Post by Mbast1 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:49 pm

Sam_Vimes wrote:Oh, hey, Mike: While you were watching The Flash, did you subscribe to the theory that Wells was actually Barry from the future? Because I did, and I'm still really disappointed that that wasn't the way they went.

No, I think I always thought he'd turn out to be the Reverse Flash. Wouldn't have bothered me if that hadn't been true (I like to be honestly surprised by things), but having him be Barry from the future wasn't something I bought.

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:36 pm

Yeah, I think I must just be really used to red herrings, or something, because the obviousness of him being Reverse Flash made me think he must NOT be Reverse Flash. Why didn't the show lie to me like it was supposed to?

Oh, and while I'm here, Tony: More Jay Garrick news for you: http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/the-flash/245961/the-flash-season-2-news-jay-garrick-cast-new-villains-coming-new-costume-confirmed

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:28 pm

Suddenly, I'm actually looking forward to this!
If Jay is going to become a regular on TV, I'd say that bodes well for his prospects of a return in the comics...

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Post by Mbast1 on Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:09 pm

Sam_Vimes wrote:Why didn't the show lie to me like it was supposed to?

Maybe because they figured people would jump to all kinds of conclusions, and that would be enough to keep people guessing and unsure? Not sure.

Sam_Vimes wrote:More Jay Garrick news for you

I saw that he had been cast! Very happy about this one.

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:52 am

I just can't believe they're doing Earth 2. That was one of the best ideas that ever came out of The Flash (if not THE best), but it's not exactly a mainstream-friendly, CW one. Good for them,

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Post by Mbast1 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:48 pm

Sam_Vimes wrote:I just can't believe they're doing Earth 2. That was one of the best ideas that ever came out of The Flash (if not THE best), but it's not exactly a mainstream-friendly, CW one. Good for them,

I don't know. I've seen more than one article about this very issue (multiverse stuff in general) pointing out that modern audiences are much better prepared for this idea than they used to be. Especially the geeky ones who'll be watching. Alternate earths are part of our world, fictionally.

I am REALLY looking forward to this.

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Post by Mbast1 on Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:40 pm

Mbast1 wrote:I am REALLY looking forward to this.

And having seen the first two episodes, I'm torn. Spoilers, so a tag.

Spoiler:
First, JAY GARRICK!!! On my tv! I am SO happy with this. And it's all looking good, like the storyline could be fun. They talk about a multiverse, set up a villain with some potential, and just generally are using DC's milieu to the best possible effect.

But.

In both episodes they kill the villains. Deliberately. And I'm really about to drop the show because of it. I KNOW I'm in a minority on this, but I just can't get into killer-superheroes. It's ruining the fun for me.


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Post by tony ingram on Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:36 am

Does Jay actually look and act like Jay? The Jay Garrick I grew up with would never do that.

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Post by Mbast1 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:07 pm

tony ingram wrote:Does Jay actually look and act like Jay? The Jay Garrick I grew up with would never do that.

Looks like? Yes, although he's apparently only been Flash as long as Barry. Act like? No, not as much as I'd like. He was the one who taught Barry HOW to do it.
Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm over-reacting.

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Post by tony ingram on Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:32 pm

I suddenly have a sinking feeling... Crying or Very sad

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Post by Mbast1 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:17 pm

tony ingram wrote:I suddenly have a sinking feeling... Crying or Very sad

I don't want to put you off the show, at all. I enjoy it, other than that one problem. But, for me, that is a big problem. If you can get past some minor (I think) changes since it's on television, you might really enjoy it.

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Post by tony ingram on Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:21 pm

Thing is, I have a very strongly defined sense of who Jay garrick is: an elder statesman of the superhero community, moral, never cruel or brutal, but always laid back and with a sense of humour. Like a favourite uncle. This doesn't sound like that Jay Garrick.

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:18 am

Well, I've now seen Jay's introductory episode, and I have to say...it made my day! Mike, I can see why you have issues with it, but it occurs to me that shattering a man who can become living sand after turning him to glass is not definitely going to kill him (how often has Marvel's Sandman been discorporated and returned?) so I can forgive that. And the sight of the two Flashes running at the fallen woman on either side of a brick wall almost had me cheering!Razz

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Post by Mbast1 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:42 pm

tony ingram wrote:Well, I've now seen Jay's introductory episode, and I have to say...it made my day!

As far as Jay went, it WAS cool.

tony ingram wrote:Mike, I can see why you have issues with it

Right, and I'm glad my issues didn't color your enjoyment.

tony ingram wrote:, but it occurs to me that shattering a man who can become living sand after turning him to glass is not definitely going to kill him

Right, and maybe he's not dead. Seemed to be, though. But they pretty definitely killed Atomsmasher.

tony ingram wrote:And the sight of the two Flashes running at the fallen woman on either side of a brick wall almost had me cheering!Razz  

You weren't the only one!

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:35 pm

Awww, you're making me wish I was into this show now Very Happy

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Post by Mbast1 on Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:57 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Awww, you're making me wish I was into this show now Very Happy

You should try it, it's really fun.

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:08 pm

It took me awhile, but it's growing on me.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:16 pm

Mbast1 wrote:You should try it, it's really fun.

Alas, I don't have Sky Sad

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:52 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:
Mbast1 wrote:You should try it, it's really fun.

Alas, I don't have Sky Sad
You mean...you live underground? Darling, believe me-sky is real, it exists, and one day you will feel the sun upon your face!

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:53 am

Do you have Netflix, Lucy? I think it's on that. Well, the first season anyway.

Ooo, and Mike, I know you ditched Arrow a long time ago, and I don't remember if I told you this already, but Ollie sees the error of his ways after the first season and stops killing people. You might like it after that. I don't know. I certainly like it MORE, myself. He's even calling himself GREEN Arrow now, so my own personal objections to the original concept are virtually all gone.

Anyway, yeah, The Flash, great show. I probably had a similar feeling to Tony's when the brick wall "I'm coming!" thing happened. Not enough Jay in the latest episodes, though.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:54 am

I really wish they'd hurry up and give Jay his powers back, too...

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:13 am

I KNOW, man, that's driving me NUTS. We've hardly seen him run fast at all.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:17 am

We've hardly seen him in costume at all, it's kind of a waste...

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:22 am

Gotta love that they kept that helmet, though.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:58 am

Damn, no Flash on Netflix. Only Daredevil and Gotham.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:59 am

Lucy McGough wrote:Only Daredevil and Gotham.
Still a result. I've never seen Daredevil...

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:04 am

What if it isn't worth seeing? Anyway, it's not very likely to have Jay Garrick in it.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:07 am

Lucy McGough wrote:What if it isn't worth seeing? Anyway, it's not very likely to have Jay Garrick in it.
If he can cross from Earth 2 to Earth 1, he can surely manage Earth 616! Maybe that's why he's absent so much of the time in Flash...

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:09 am

Flash will turn up on Netflix eventually. As Vandal Savage once said, "I can wait. I have forever."

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:03 pm

Oh yeah, Netflix UK has different stuff on it, doesn't it? We've got the first season of The Flash over here on Netflix US, I just checked. I wonder why it's not on over there?

As for Daredevil: No Jay Garrick yet, but it's utterly sublime in every other way so I'm willing to forgive it.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:26 pm

Sam_Vimes wrote:As for Daredevil: No Jay Garrick yet, but it's utterly sublime in every other way so I'm willing to forgive it.

Worth me getting addicted to? If not, I have two Donna Tartt novels with which to occupy my time.

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Post by Mbast1 on Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:27 pm

Sam_Vimes wrote:Ooo, and Mike, I know you ditched Arrow a long time ago, and I don't remember if I told you this already, but Ollie sees the error of his ways after the first season and stops killing people. You might like it after that. I don't know. I certainly like it MORE, myself. He's even calling himself GREEN Arrow now, so my own personal objections to the original concept are virtually all gone.

Anyway, yeah, The Flash, great show. I probably had a similar feeling to Tony's when the brick wall "I'm coming!" thing happened. Not enough Jay in the latest episodes, though.

People have told me that, and I'm working on it. My niece loves it, so I'm trying. I just haven't had a lot of time lately, but thanks for the update.

And, yes, not enough Jay. I'm hoping there'll be a big E-2 crossover before the end of the season.

How cool is it that I can say that about a tv show???

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Post by Mbast1 on Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:30 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:What if it isn't worth seeing? Anyway, it's not very likely to have Jay Garrick in it.

Daredevil is good, so far as I've seen. Only the first three episodes, but good. VERY violent, though. So take that as a warning.

Watched the first episode of Jessica Jones, so far so good. A bit much sex for a Marvel show, but let Netflix deal with the backlash.

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Post by tony ingram on Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:32 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
Sam_Vimes wrote:Ooo, and Mike, I know you ditched Arrow a long time ago, and I don't remember if I told you this already, but Ollie sees the error of his ways after the first season and stops killing people. You might like it after that. I don't know. I certainly like it MORE, myself. He's even calling himself GREEN Arrow now, so my own personal objections to the original concept are virtually all gone.

Anyway, yeah, The Flash, great show. I probably had a similar feeling to Tony's when the brick wall "I'm coming!" thing happened. Not enough Jay in the latest episodes, though.

People have told me that, and I'm working on it. My niece loves it, so I'm trying. I just haven't had a lot of time lately, but thanks for the update.

And, yes, not enough Jay. I'm hoping there'll be a big E-2 crossover before the end of the season.

How cool is it that I can say that about a tv show???
Am I being totally unrealistic in hoping that there might be more heroes on Earth 2 when Barry finally gets there? Hourman or Sandman, maybe?

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Post by Mbast1 on Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:44 pm

tony ingram wrote:Am I being totally unrealistic in hoping that there might be more heroes on Earth 2 when Barry finally gets there? Hourman or Sandman, maybe?

I don't know how realistic it is, but I am really hoping something like this happens. I want to see more of them. Lots, even if just a glimpse.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:49 pm

I'm sure Hourman and Sandman would be easy to replicate on television.

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:05 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:Am I being totally unrealistic in hoping that there might be more heroes on Earth 2 when Barry finally gets there? Hourman or Sandman, maybe?

I don't know how realistic it is, but I am really hoping something like this happens. I want to see more of them. Lots, even if just a glimpse.

Smallville gave us glimpses, and that was back when The CW DIDN'T want to be the "superhero network". Now that they so clearly do, I think a "glimpse" is pretty much the bare minimum of what we're going to get. I mean, the fanservice hasn't gotten so bad (good?) over there that every time a person's name is mentioned my wife asks me if they're "somebody", and nine times out of ten they are.

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:41 am

The only thing that puzzles me is why the makers of the Flash show are so obviously obsessed with Firestorm! Every other character is from Firestorm, it seems...

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Post by Mbast1 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:21 pm

tony ingram wrote:The only thing that puzzles me is why the makers of the Flash show are so obviously obsessed with Firestorm! Every other character is from Firestorm, it seems...

Maybe those are some of the characters they can use without worrying too much about licensing or other deals?

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:40 pm

Yes, perhaps. It's unlikely anyone else is going to be clamouring to use Multiplex or Plastique, I guess...

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:45 pm

Their biggest drawbacks are their names. Why don't they get new names? I bet you guys could think of better ones.

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Post by Mbast1 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:17 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Why don't they get new names? I bet you guys could think of better ones.

I always fall back to "Bob".
For which I blame Bob Newhart and Black Adder.

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