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The Zygon Inversion

Post by tony ingram on Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:52 pm

I thought that was amazing. Very, very powerful acting from Capaldi, and Jenna Coleman was actually rather better as Bonnie the Zygon than she normally is as Clara (and I like Clara!)

Interestingly, we still don't know whether the Osgood who died was human or Zygon. For all we know, now, both Osgoods are Zygons!


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Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:35 pm

That was absolutely amazing. I have never seen a better refutation of the beliefs and tactics of puritans (directed at the so-called Islamic State, but not limited to them). And we show this to children! THANK GOODNESS.

An absolute tour-de-force. Peter Capaldi IS the Doctor.

(P.S. Shout-out to that Zygon guy who just wanted to live.)

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Post by Mbast1 on Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:12 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:(P.S. Shout-out to that Zygon guy who just wanted to live.)

I enjoyed that one, too. Too often shows seem to think the "heroes" are the only people involved in conflicts, and this one made sure to show that there are plenty of people who just want to live.

Very nice ending to this one. I look forward to more.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:47 pm

Mbast1 wrote:I enjoyed that one, too. Too often shows seem to think the "heroes" are the only people involved in conflicts, and this one made sure to show that there are plenty of people who just want to live.

Sometimes Doctor Who shows that the heroes are normal people with lives who would quite like to go on enjoying their lives... and then SOME people complain that the show is focussing too much on the companions' families Rolling Eyes

Mbast1 wrote:Very nice ending to this one. I look forward to more.

Same here.

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Post by Mbast1 on Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:28 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:and then SOME people complain that the show is focussing too much on the companions' families  Rolling Eyes

Some people live to complain.

I actually like things where the "other people" get a chance to shine. Cloverfield (where you see the people whose lives are destroyed by Kaiju invasions) and DMZ (where you have a giant 2nd Civil War in the US, but the focus at first is on people struggling just to live) are good examples. I LIKE when DW gives them some storytime.


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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:43 pm

I liked Rory's dad. He was a normal, boring bloke, and then the Doctor came and changed his life. He saw our beautiful planet from space! And then he decided to travel the world Smile

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Post by Mbast1 on Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:22 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:That was absolutely amazing.

This might be interesting to others:

http://io9.com/the-7-least-subtle-political-allegories-on-doctor-who-1740916612


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Post by tony ingram on Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:39 am

Mbast1 wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:That was absolutely amazing.

This might be interesting to others:

http://io9.com/the-7-least-subtle-political-allegories-on-doctor-who-1740916612

The only one I'm not really convinced there's any substance to, there, is Kill the Moon. The question of it having anything to do with abortion never crossed my mind, and I don't recall anyone else mentioning it at the time, either, at least over here. I think the abortion question is probably rather more of an issue in the US than in the UK (where I think it's generally accepted that "anti-choice" is not an acceptable option, by most people) so given that he was writing primarily for the British audience I doubt the writer had any such point strongly in mind.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:11 am

I definitely thought it was an anti-abortion allegory. I was quite surprised that such a thing would be broadcast on the BBC.

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:17 am

Lucy McGough wrote:I definitely thought it was an anti-abortion allegory. I was quite surprised that such a thing would be broadcast on the BBC.
Really? Surprising. Maybe it's a subject more likely to be noticed by someone raised in a religious household. Genuinely never occurred to me.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:36 pm

tony ingram wrote:Really? Surprising. Maybe it's a subject more likely to be noticed by someone raised in a religious household. Genuinely never occurred to me.

I suppose, for me, the twenty-four carat give-away was the line, "You can't blame a baby for kicking." Very Happy

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Post by Mbast1 on Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:19 pm

tony ingram wrote:I think the abortion question is probably rather more of an issue in the US than in the UK (where I think it's generally accepted that "anti-choice" is not an acceptable option, by most people) so given that he was writing primarily for the British audience I doubt the writer had any such point strongly in mind.

Maybe so, people DO read into things, and abortion is a HUGE issue here. So you're likely right.

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Post by Mbast1 on Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:21 pm

tony ingram wrote:Maybe it's a subject more likely to be noticed by someone raised in a religious household. Genuinely never occurred to me.

Me, either. I bet you're right, I often (being not-at-all-religious) miss those dog-whistles. Ah, well.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:13 pm

You're not missing much :-D

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Post by Mbast1 on Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:30 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:You're not missing much :-D

Maybe. I know the Bible is the basis for a lot of great literature, so I have read it, some. More as I go along. And there are some references I won't get, so I miss SOME things.

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