Re: Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character

by Lucy Ingram Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:30 pm

My hair is all my own too Razz

by **tony ingram** Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:51 am

MajorHoy wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:"To be bald, bearded and black,
Oh what a lovely precious dream..."
He's probably not fully bald . . . probably shaves his head to hide a receding hairline . . .

Don't they all? Though it seems somewhat counter productive, to me.

by Lucy Ingram Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:56 am

Bald = tough, masculine, might kick your head in if you look at his bird.

Going bald = pipe and slippers time.

by **tony ingram** Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:00 am

Lucy McGough wrote:Bald = tough, masculine, might kick your head in if you look at his bird.

Going bald = pipe and slippers time.

I would pay good money to hear Nick Fury, Jnr. say "ere, are you lookin' at my bird?"

by Lucy Ingram Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:12 am

Given what he'd do to you after saying that, you really wouldn't...

by Silogramsam Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:10 pm

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I'd say that Steel Sterling was my favorite Archies Group hero. When the Mighty Crusaders were around in the 60s, he was the only hero (although not really a member of that team) published by them that didn't latch onto the whole campy-Batman-TV-series thing. Even as a kid, I hated that campy stuff.

by Silogramsam Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:12 pm

by MajorHoy Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:16 pm

Silogramsam wrote:
I'd say that Steel Sterling was my favorite Archies Group hero. When the Mighty Crusaders were around in the 60s, he was the only hero (although not really a member of that team) published by them that didn't latch onto the whole campy-Batman-TV-series thing. Even as a kid, I hated that campy stuff.

https://crikey.forumotion.com/t488-holy-fun-stuff-batman-this-can-t-be-2013-can-it

by Silogramsam Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:32 pm

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As a kid, I also liked Dynamo.

by **tony ingram** Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:38 pm

I never really got into T.H.U.N.D.E.R Agents or understood their appeal, though I did like NoMan as a concept.

by Silogramsam Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:05 pm

I liked them when I was a kid. Unlike other stories from the 60s, when I've gone back to re-read them, I didn't like them as much although I still liked the Wally Wood art.

by MajorHoy Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:37 pm

Anybody remember when this guy was around?
(I don't know if they bothered to sell him in the U.K., though.)

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by **tony ingram** Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:45 pm

I have never seen that character in my life before.

by Lucy Ingram Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:25 pm

There's a first time for everything.

by MajorHoy Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:47 pm

tony ingram wrote:I have never seen that character in my life before.

Lucy McGough wrote:There's a first time for everything.

And, honestly, I don't know if you really missed much on that one.

by **tony ingram** Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:49 pm

Having now looked him up, I would tend to agree.

by MajorHoy Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:34 pm

Tales of the Beanworld was a fun comic book.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Beanworld

http://larrymarder.blogspot.com/

by **tony ingram** Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:35 pm

I liked that. I think McFarlane owns it now, doesn't he?

by MajorHoy Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:01 pm

tony ingram wrote:I liked that. I think McFarlane owns it now, doesn't he?

Thankfully, I don't believe so. Even though Eclipse published / distribute it at one point, they didn't own it.

by **tony ingram** Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:19 pm

No Beanworld, no Miracleman...did he actually end up with anything at all after he bought the Eclipse properties? Razz

by MajorHoy Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:17 pm

Here's another publisher I'm not sure if Tony may be familiar with: Claypool Comics?

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by **tony ingram** Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:41 pm

Rings a bell, actually...

by MajorHoy Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:55 am

How about

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and

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by **tony ingram** Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:43 am

I remember Fish Police, I still have a few issues. Not sam & Max, though. Who were they?

by MajorHoy Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:09 pm

tony ingram wrote:I remember Fish Police, I still have a few issues. Not sam & Max, though. Who were they?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_%26_Max

Or, simply, bizarre, maniac fun.

by paw broon Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:54 pm

Difficult to believe that someone else knows of Grips. As a collector of obscure heroes, I raved about the comic for a while when it was drawn by Tim Vigil, and I still have those original issues somewhere.
Eventually, Vigil sort of morphed Grips into the totally over the top and disturbingly violent Faust.
Anyway, perhaps a non big 2 character would be a good idea here. So, The Phantom is still my all time #1. Yes, I know both Marvel and Dc have had a go at him but his main appearances have been newspapers, Dell/GK/Charlton and the Scandinavian original stories which were translated to English for the Australian series by Frew.

Just adding this to change my attribution of those 3 publishing companies. They should of course read, Gold Key/King/Charlton.

by **tony ingram** Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:42 pm

paw broon wrote:Difficult to believe that someone else knows of Grips. As a collector of obscure heroes, I raved about the comic for a while when it was drawn by Tim Vigil, and I still have those original issues somewhere.
Eventually, Vigil sort of morphed Grips into the totally over the top and disturbingly violent Faust.
Anyway, perhaps a non big 2 character would be a good idea here. So, The Phantom is still my all time #1. Yes, I know both Marvel and Dc have had a go at him but his main appearances have been newspapers, Dell/GK/Charlton and the Scandinavian original stories which were translated to English for the Australian series by Frew.

Are you aware of the more recent Phantom books from Dynamite Entertainment? I read a lot of Dynamite...

by paw broon Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:11 pm

Sorry to start off by disagreeing, Tony. Embarassed

I just don't like Dynamite. They seem to think that changing a character for the sake of change is a good thing. In the case of The Phantom, I think you only have to look at what Hermes Press, with Peter David and Sal Velluto, are doing with the character as a comparison to the Dynamite nonsense - Lothar as The Phantom!!!!!!! That first series with the hero covering himself in what appeared to be blood but turned out to be vegetable dyes, all done with not very good art was a right old turn off for me. Serious Phantom experts had the same impression about the blood/dye also.
Actually, apart from Green Hornet Yr.1, I haven't enjoyed their product.
One of the other heroes I wanted to list was The Black Terror from Nedor/Better, and Dynamite changed him also - and not for the better imo.
To get a flavour of what can be done with a character who has been going since 1936, the Frew issues with the translated Scandinavian historicals are a good read.
I anticipate being dumped on for my opinions Wink

by **tony ingram** Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:45 pm

paw broon wrote:Sorry to start off by disagreeing, Tony. I just don't like Dynamite. They seem to think that changing a character for the sake of change is a good thing. In the case of The Phantom, I think you only have to look at what Hermes Press, with Peter David and Sal Velluto, are doing with the character as a comparison to the Dynamite nonsense - Lothar as The Phantom!!!!!!! That first series with the hero covering himself in what appeared to be blood but turned out to be vegetable dyes, all done with not very good art was a right old turn off for me. Serious Phantom experts had the same impression about the blood/dye also.
Actually, apart from Green Hornet Yr.1, I haven't enjoyed their product.
One of the other heroes I wanted to list was The Black Terror from Nedor/Better, and Dynamite changed him also - and not for the better imo.
To get a flavour of what can be done with a character who has been going since 1936, the Frew issues with the translated Scandinavian historicals are a good read.
I anticipate being dumped on for my opinions

No dumping, this is all down to personal opinion. I'm not looking at it from the same point of view as you, obviously, because I've little previous exposure to the Phantom except through the short lived DC series and the Wolf Publishing stuff, both in the eighties, so I've no fixed idea of who the character should be. Consequently, I've just read the Dynamite stuff and looked at it on its own terms, and quite liked a lot of it. I must admit though, I didn't like the Lothar as Phantom thing (but then, I'm not a fan of Lothar or Mandrake as characters).

by MajorHoy Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:35 pm

I wonder if it would have been easier if this was done by decades?
("Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1940s"; "Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1950s"; "Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1960s"; etc.)

by **tony ingram** Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:37 pm

MajorHoy wrote:I wonder if it would have been easier if this was done by decades?
("Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1940s"; "Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1950s"; "Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1960s"; etc.)

Hey, you know how to create polls! In the words of someone or other from that classic thing: "If you build it, they will come!" Very Happy

by MajorHoy Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:45 pm

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:I wonder if it would have been easier if this was done by decades?
("Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1940s"; "Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1950s"; "Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1960s"; etc.)
Hey, you know how to create polls! In the words of someone or other from that classic thing: "If you build it, they will come!"

But then again, I'd also have to struggle with the mental debate if I should include characters that were originated at a non-Marvel/non-DC company but were later acquired by one of the two and incorporated into their universes (characters like "Captain Marvel (Fawcett)"; "Plastic Man (Quality)"; "Blackhawk (Quality)") . . .

by **tony ingram** Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:54 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:I wonder if it would have been easier if this was done by decades?
("Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1940s"; "Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1950s"; "Favourite Non-Marvel or DC American Comics Character of the 1960s"; etc.)
Hey, you know how to create polls! In the words of someone or other from that classic thing: "If you build it, they will come!"
But then again, I'd also have to struggle with the mental debate if I should include characters that were originated at a non-Marvel/non-DC company but were later acquired by one of the two and incorporated into their universes (characters like "Captain Marvel (Fawcett)"; "Plastic Man (Quality)"; "Blackhawk (Quality)") . . .

I'd say "yes". For me, where they originated is what matters.

by MajorHoy Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:25 am

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote: . . . I'd also have to struggle with the mental debate if I should include characters that were originated at a non-Marvel/non-DC company but were later acquired by one of the two and incorporated into their universes (characters like "Captain Marvel (Fawcett)"; "Plastic Man (Quality)"; "Blackhawk (Quality)") . . .
I'd say "yes". For me, where they originated is what matters.

I agree that where they originated matters, but some of them just became so ingrained with "DC" in my many years of reading that it would be hard for me to separate that out in some cases.
Plus, with characters like Captain Marvel, the version(s) DC used in the beginning was so similar to the version from Fawcett. (Unfortunately, seems that's no longer true this century.)

by **tony ingram** Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:15 am

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote: . . . I'd also have to struggle with the mental debate if I should include characters that were originated at a non-Marvel/non-DC company but were later acquired by one of the two and incorporated into their universes (characters like "Captain Marvel (Fawcett)"; "Plastic Man (Quality)"; "Blackhawk (Quality)") . . .
I'd say "yes". For me, where they originated is what matters.
I agree that where they originated matters, but some of them just became so ingrained with "DC" in my many years of reading that it would be hard for me to separate that out in some cases.
Plus, with characters like Captain Marvel, the version(s) DC used in the beginning was so similar to the version from Fawcett. (Unfortunately, seems that's no longer true this century.)

I'm wondering if that might change when the movie arrives. It's supposed to have a deliberate Golden Age feel, which DC will surely want to cash in on.

by MajorHoy Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:05 pm

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote: . . . Plus, with characters like Captain Marvel, the version(s) DC used in the beginning was so similar to the version from Fawcett. (Unfortunately, seems that's no longer true this century.)
I'm wondering if that might change when the movie arrives. It's supposed to have a deliberate Golden Age feel, which DC will surely want to cash in on.

However, since the (supposedly) upcoming Shazam! series will be under Geoff Johns (see: Looks like Shazam! may finally be returning with Geoff Johns . . . ), I'm not sure if Johns will abandon the revisions he already made to the character.

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