Flash television show

Mbast1 wrote:I always fall back to "Bob".
For which I blame Bob Newhart and Black Adder.

Fine. Call them both Bob

Lucy McGough wrote:Their biggest drawbacks are their names. Why don't they get new names? I bet you guys could think of better ones.

For Plastique and Multiplex? I'd name them in the grand tradition of the Legion of Super-Heroes: Detonating Damsel and Duplicate Dumbo.
Or possibly Multiple Muppet.

'Multiple Muppet' and 'Detonating Damsel'..... genius

tony ingram wrote:Am I being totally unrealistic in hoping that there might be more heroes on Earth 2 when Barry finally gets there? Hourman or Sandman, maybe?

There are definite hints, now that episodes are happening on E-2. It's still looking fun. And there's a HINT that things might not be as they appear with Jay! And, also that this multiverse includes the 1990 Flash, and the current Supergirl show!

Mbast1 wrote:

tony ingram wrote:Am I being totally unrealistic in hoping that there might be more heroes on Earth 2 when Barry finally gets there? Hourman or Sandman, maybe?

There are definite hints, now that episodes are happening on E-2. It's still looking fun. And there's a HINT that things might not be as they appear with Jay! And, also that this multiverse includes the 1990 Flash, and the current Supergirl show!

The 90s version!!!? Goood grief. Jay had better not turn out to be a villain, though...

tony ingram wrote:The 90s version!!!? Goood grief. Jay had better not turn out to be a villain, though...

In the "tunnel" through which they traveled to E-2, you saw glimpses of other Earths, including one where the 90's version lived.

As to Jay, I wait to see what does happen, but it could turn out to be very interesting.

I really wasn't impressed with this show when it started, but I must admit, it's drawn me in. A bit like Agents of SHIELD.

tony ingram wrote:I really wasn't impressed with this show when it started, but I must admit, it's drawn me in. A bit like Agents of SHIELD.

For me, AoS is like Once Upon a Time, where it's good a lot of the time, but then sometimes it's pretty boring.

OK, somebody please tell me Jay Garrick is not actually Zoom...
I was convinced Jay was the man in the iron mask.

I'm Jay Garrick!

Lucy McGough wrote:I'm Jay Garrick!

No! I'm Jay Garrick!

My mum's Jay Garrick!

OK, got it: Henry Allen rather less than subtly revealed that his mother's maiden name was Garrick. The man in the iron mask is indeed going to turn out to be the real Jay Garrick of Earth Two...and he will also turn out to be the Earth Two counterpart of Barry Allen's dad!

Blimey. Do you need a PhD to watch this show?

Lucy McGough wrote:Blimey. Do you need a PhD to watch this show?

A Parallel Hooniverse Doctorate?

Do they call it a Hooniverse when it makes you wonder, "Hoo on Earth is that?"

tony ingram wrote:OK, got it: Henry Allen rather less than subtly revealed that his mother's maiden name was Garrick. The man in the iron mask is indeed going to turn out to be the real Jay Garrick of Earth Two...and he will also turn out to be the Earth Two counterpart of Barry Allen's dad!

I reached the same conclusion. That would definitely make up for the Zoom thing.

Oh, and Tony, check out DC's Legends of Tomorrow if you haven't already. Or at least the last five minutes of the last episode.

Sam_Vimes wrote:

tony ingram wrote:OK, got it: Henry Allen rather less than subtly revealed that his mother's maiden name was Garrick. The man in the iron mask is indeed going to turn out to be the real Jay Garrick of Earth Two...and he will also turn out to be the Earth Two counterpart of Barry Allen's dad!

I reached the samer conclusion. That would definitely make up for the Zoom thing.

Oh, and Tony, check DC's Legends of Tomorrow if you haven't already. Or at least the last five minutes of the last episode.

I think we in the UK still have two weeks to go before the last episode, though I could be wrong.

A girl finds it too complicated.

tony ingram wrote:OK, got it: Henry Allen rather less than subtly revealed that his mother's maiden name was Garrick. The man in the iron mask is indeed going to turn out to be the real Jay Garrick of Earth Two...and he will also turn out to be the Earth Two counterpart of Barry Allen's dad!

Close, so very close. But I LOVED this ending. I really did. This season bothered me at first, but this so very much worked out for the better.

It really did! Earth Two on TV is Earth Three from the comics and vice versa, so from the POV of comics fans the world we thought was Earth Two was the horrible, evil dominated Earth Three all along. Brilliant!
And I've just seen Flash's guest appearance on Supergirl, and loved that too!

It appears the JSA will be appearing in DC's Legends of Tomorrow. Hopefully, with Jay!

tony ingram wrote:It appears the JSA will be appearing in DC's Legends of Tomorrow. Hopefully, with Jay!

We live in interesting times! Keep us updated.

Now confirmed that the title of the first episode of season three is 'Flashpoint'. Also, all the regulars are back, which I guess means that in the revised timeline, Earth One's Harrison Wells is still alive and hasn't been replaced by Thawne. Also, John Wesley Shipp will be seen as both Henry Allen and Jay Garrick.

I'm currently reading Shakespeare's plays about Henry VI, which are basically all about the Wars of the Roses, where everybody is called Edward and keeps switching sides, and all the nobles are named after counties...

...but I swear the Flash television show is much more complicated!

Lucy McGough wrote:I'm currently reading Shakespeare's plays about Henry VI, which are basically all about the Wars of the Roses, where everybody is called Edward and keeps switching sides, and all the nobles are named after counties...

...but I swear the Flash television show is much more complicated!

Remind me to explain Hawkman's continuity to you, sometime...

I don't think it counts as an explanation if the person you're talking to doesn't have the intellectual wherewithal to understand. It's more of a monologue.

tony ingram wrote:Now confirmed that the title of the first episode of season three is 'Flashpoint'

I didn't miuch like Flashpoint or its fallout, but given how much I like Flash, I'm hoping it'll be fun!

tony ingram wrote:Remind me to explain Hawkman's continuity to you, sometime...

I know it and it would give ME a headache listening...

Mbast1 wrote:

tony ingram wrote:Remind me to explain Hawkman's continuity to you, sometime...

I know it and it would give ME a headache listening...

I think my favourite part was where, with Carter Hall missing, they turned Fel Andar into Carter Hall Jnr in order to explain the otherwise impossible presence of Katar Hol in stories set before he'd been reintroduced. I though DC's mission statement at the time was to simplify continuity...

tony ingram wrote:I think my favourite part was where, with Carter Hall missing, they turned Fel Andar into Carter Hall Jnr in order to explain the otherwise impossible presence of Katar Hol in stories set before he'd been reintroduced. I though DC's mission statement at the time was to simplify continuity...

Right! I only caught that later, in that I'd seen reference to it, but I went back to find the issues. I thought it was a clever way to deal with it, but yeah, what a mess.

Mbast1 wrote:

tony ingram wrote:I think my favourite part was where, with Carter Hall missing, they turned Fel Andar into Carter Hall Jnr in order to explain the otherwise impossible presence of Katar Hol in stories set before he'd been reintroduced. I though DC's mission statement at the time was to simplify continuity...

Right! I only caught that later, in that I'd seen reference to it, but I went back to find the issues. I thought it was a clever way to deal with it, but yeah, what a mess.

See, I think a cleverer approach would have been to not create the problem in the first place. Why couldn't they just have stuck to the original plan and had the Hawkworld mini be a flashback story? Did we really need a reimagined version of a character who'd already been reimagined?

tony ingram wrote:See, I think a cleverer approach would have been to not create the problem in the first place. Why couldn't they just have stuck to the original plan and had the Hawkworld mini be a flashback story? Did we really need a reimagined version of a character who'd already been reimagined?

Well, sometimes you're stuck trying to make what's in front of you work. Yes, making Hawkworld the past would have been so much smarter, but I don't know who said no to that. Then the authors had to deal with it.
Plus, everyone has to be reimagined all the time...

Did you ever read Void Indigo? I have all the issues (the GN and the two issues published) but I've not read them. I read they were originally from a proposal for Hawkman, but I don't know how well done they are.

I read the Void Indigo graphic novel, wasn't impressed, and never read the actual series. I was never aware that it was a proposed Hawkman pitch before today!