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Post by tony ingram on Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:47 pm

Well, it's still April.
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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:32 pm

tony ingram wrote:Well, it's still April.
Yes . . . for now.

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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:49 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:Issue #10 is now listed for April 10, 2019.
So, basically a month after issue #9, which would be a definite improvement!
That's "basically a month after issue #9" IF they don't keep bumping the date out every week or two (like they did with issue #9, which was originally solicited for January 23rd).

Only time will tell if that happens or not.
Previewsworld now lists issue #10 as "In Shops: Apr 17, 2019"
Previewsworld and the DC website now list issue #10 as "In Shops: Apr 24, 2019"
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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:23 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:Issue #10 is now listed for April 10, 2019.
So, basically a month after issue #9, which would be a definite improvement!
That's "basically a month after issue #9" IF they don't keep bumping the date out every week or two (like they did with issue #9, which was originally solicited for January 23rd).

Only time will tell if that happens or not.
Previewsworld now lists issue #10 as "In Shops: Apr 17, 2019"
Previewsworld and the DC website now list issue #10 as "In Shops: Apr 24, 2019"
Previewsworld and the DC website now list issue #10 as in shops May 01, 2019.
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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:20 pm

MajorHoy wrote:Previewsworld and the DC website now list issue #10 as in shops May 01, 2019.
Make that
In Shops: May 08, 2019

Oh, and issue #11 had been solicited for "In Shops: May 22, 2019", but once they have a firm date for #10 actually being shipped I imagine #11's date will start be pushed out.
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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:43 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:Previewsworld and the DC website now list issue #10 as in shops May 01, 2019.
Make that
In Shops: May 08, 2019
Oh,  and issue #11 had been solicited for "In Shops: May 22, 2019", but once they have a firm date for #10 actually being shipped I imagine #11's date will start be pushed out.
Issue #10 is now listed as "In Shops: May 15, 2019".
(Issue #11 is STILL listed as "In Shops: May 22, 2019" at present, but . . . )
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Post by tony ingram on Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:05 pm

At this rate, we'll be lucky to see #12 before November.
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Post by MajorHoy on Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:53 pm

tony ingram wrote:At this rate, we'll be lucky to see #12 before November.
I'm not sure if DC even bothered to list issue #12 for the July solicitations.
(Then again, I'm not sure why DC even thought they should have had kept issue #11 in the May solicitations, considering how often they kept bumping out the date for issue #9 back in January/February, but . . . )
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Post by MajorHoy on Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:29 am

MajorHoy wrote:Issue #10 is now listed as "In Shops: May 15, 2019".
(Issue #11 is STILL listed as "In Shops: May 22, 2019" at present, but . . . )
Well, now issue #10 is listed for "In Shops: May 22, 2019".

Issue #11 was also listed as "In Shops: May 22, 2019" as well this morning, but that got changed to "In Shops: May 29, 2019".
(Why the hell it wasn't moved until at least the last Wednesday in June (June 26th) is totally beyond me, so now I guess we may have two issues getting weekly bumps at a time until issue #10's date is finally settled?)
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Post by tony ingram on Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:49 am

I think they should just change the on-sale date to "We're just going to surprise you!"
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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:30 pm

DC continues to mess with us on these dates!

I noticed on Monday (the 22nd) they had shifted the date for issue #10 to May 29, 2019, the same date as issue #11.

As of Tuesday evening, the date for issue #11 was still May 29, 2019, but when I checked this morning, Previewsworld now has issue #11 as In Shops: Aug 14, 2019! Shocked

(At least they didn't just bump it out only one week this time, which was not a very realistic possibility!)
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Post by tony ingram on Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:57 pm

And in the meantime, this week's issue of Flash ends with a mysterious figure prompting Barry to remember something significant that he's forgotten about his past, or the multiverse is doomed...and we see a flashback to young Barry reading comics in a bedroom that contains statues of mythical figures, including Hermes in his winged helmet. Hmm...
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Post by MajorHoy on Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:12 am

tony ingram wrote:And in the meantime, this week's issue of Flash ends with a mysterious figure prompting Barry to remember something significant that he's forgotten about his past, or the multiverse is doomed...and we see a flashback to young Barry reading comics in a bedroom that contains statues of mythical figures, including Hermes in his winged helmet. Hmm...
However, it sounds like Tom King's Heroes in Crisis series continues to shred the original Wally West!
(I'm still not buying/reading the series, but from all the venom-laced comments on the latest issue that can be found on other forums, it's not pretty!)
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Post by tony ingram on Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:11 am

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:And in the meantime, this week's issue of Flash ends with a mysterious figure prompting Barry to remember something significant that he's forgotten about his past, or the multiverse is doomed...and we see a flashback to young Barry reading comics in a bedroom that contains statues of mythical figures, including Hermes in his winged helmet. Hmm...
However, it sounds like Tom King's Heroes in Crisis series continues to shred the original Wally West!
(I'm still not buying/reading the series, but from all the venom-laced comments on the latest issue that can be found on other forums, it's not pretty!)
Online forums are always venomous. Those who dislike something invariably shout the loudest. We are reading HIC, and I've found it to be an intriguing murder mystery that's well drawn and well written, which is pretty much what I require from it. I'm also fairly convinced that Wally will still be around at the end of it. Doomsday Clock (12-issue series) - solict info for last third of the series - Page 2 343343
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Post by tony ingram on Fri May 31, 2019 11:43 am

Well, Doomsday Clock #10 hasn't actually brought the JSA back yet, but they did appear, they were featured pretty heavily, and we got an intriguing explanation for certain changes that have occured over the years...
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Post by MajorHoy on Fri May 31, 2019 3:40 pm

tony ingram wrote:Well, Doomsday Clock #10 hasn't actually brought the JSA back yet, but they did appear, they were featured pretty heavily, and we got an intriguing explanation for certain changes that have occured over the years...
So, we're getting there . . . maybe.

But I'm not sure if I'll still even care by then, especially with who knows what "Underworld Forever Year of the Unleashed Evil Villain " will do in the meantime. Neutral
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Post by MajorHoy on Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:10 pm

By the way, back in July, the date for Doomsday Clock #11 was changed to "In Shops: Sep 04, 2019".

Checked Previewsworld today, and that's still the date listed. (Final orders are due today.)
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Post by tony ingram on Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:34 am

Out this week, and things are finally moving. Not much happens on the JSA front, but Adrian Veidt does assure a sobbing Johnny Thunder that "the past will not be erased", which sounds promising...although that's more than you can say for the future, as Imra Ardeen simpy fades away after he tells her she is "no longer part of the timeline" (this seemed a bit sudden to me, making me wonder if it was a last minute rewrite forced by the decision to reboot the Legion). Elsewhere, Lex Luthor (who has uncovered a photo of the first meeting between Jay Garrick and Barry Allen) tells Lois Lane he is aware that history has been altered and that it has something to do with the return of Wally West. There are still a ot of unresolved plot threads here, and only one issue left to tie them all up...
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Post by MajorHoy on Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:01 am

tony ingram wrote: . . . There are still a ot of unresolved plot threads here, and only one issue left to tie them all up...
Wonder if it will be an even longer issue or if there'll be another mini-series related to tis one to deal with anything else?

(And in the meantime, it sounds like delays for Geoff Johns' Shazam! series have really started to get out of hand. Some issues of that which had been already solicited have had to be cancelled with no set date yet for when they'll be resolicited.)
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Post by tony ingram on Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:47 pm

Well, it's here. And I'm...not unhappy. It's pretty obvious the shape of the story has been altered along the way to fit with various editorial decisions elsewhere, but the ending was fairly satisfying, and at least we have the JSA (and, seemingly, virtually all of their past continuity) back, as well as Ma and Pa Kent and Clark's career as Superboy. It looks as thouh we've even got Yolanda Montez and Beth Chapel back, which was an unexpected bonus!
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Post by Mbast1 on Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:07 pm

tony ingram wrote: It's pretty obvious the shape of the story has been altered along the way to fit with various editorial decisions elsewhere

I'm not reading it, so what makes you think that? I ask because I thought that was happening during Infinite Crisis (not sure I remember why now) and I wonder how often that happens to big series.
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Post by tony ingram on Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:35 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote: It's pretty obvious the shape of the story has been altered along the way to fit with various editorial decisions elsewhere

I'm not reading it, so what makes you think that? I ask because I thought that was happening during Infinite Crisis (not sure I remember why now) and I wonder how often that happens to big series.
The Legion were originally being set up to be a major factor in Doomsday Clock. Then, DC decided to reboot the characters (at very short notice; artwork was leaked showing their return in Superman, and they were clearly the "classic" team, but by the time the book came out (reissued after the initial print run was recalled) they had been completely redesigned). Johns abruptly wrote Imra Ardeen out of Doomsday Clock the same month.
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Post by MajorHoy on Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:26 am

tony ingram wrote:
Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote: It's pretty obvious the shape of the story has been altered along the way to fit with various editorial decisions elsewhere
I'm not reading it, so what makes you think that? I ask because I thought that was happening during Infinite Crisis (not sure I remember why now) and I wonder how often that happens to big series.
The Legion were originally being set up to be a major factor in Doomsday Clock. Then, DC decided to reboot the characters (at very short notice; artwork was leaked showing their return in Superman, and they were clearly the "classic" team, but by the time the book came out (reissued after the initial print run was recalled) they had been completely redesigned). Johns abruptly wrote Imra Ardeen out of Doomsday Clock the same month.
I'm assuming the sudden revision to the LoSH was more of a Bendis-decision rather than an "editorial decision", but that's just minor nit-picking.
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Post by tony ingram on Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:44 am

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote: It's pretty obvious the shape of the story has been altered along the way to fit with various editorial decisions elsewhere
I'm not reading it, so what makes you think that? I ask because I thought that was happening during Infinite Crisis (not sure I remember why now) and I wonder how often that happens to big series.
The Legion were originally being set up to be a major factor in Doomsday Clock. Then, DC decided to reboot the characters (at very short notice; artwork was leaked showing their return in Superman, and they were clearly the "classic" team, but by the time the book came out (reissued after the initial print run was recalled) they had been completely redesigned). Johns abruptly wrote Imra Ardeen out of Doomsday Clock the same month.
I'm assuming the sudden revision to the LoSH was more of a Bendis-decision rather than an "editorial decision", but that's just minor nit-picking.
I'm not so sure it was.
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Post by MajorHoy on Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:13 pm

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:I'm assuming the sudden revision to the LoSH was more of a Bendis-decision rather than an "editorial decision", but that's just minor nit-picking.
I'm not so sure it was.
Well, wasn't Bendis the one who took the original five X-Men and, for a while, brought them to "the future" (our "present day") and in the process made Iceman (Bobby Drake) gay?

To me, the idea of tweaking (AGAIN!) the LoSH seems like it would fit Bendis' patterns, not to mention the idea of AGAIN having Superman's identity as Clark Kent being public knowledge.

Since I'm not reading any of the Super-books, I can't say how exactly his handling of them is. However, after what I've read by Bendis in the past, and having read his Superman story in Action Comics #1000, I have no desire whatsoever to give his stuff a try to see if I'm right or wrong (unless maybe they were offering free reprint issues like they do during the annual "Batman Day").
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Post by tony ingram on Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:49 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:I'm assuming the sudden revision to the LoSH was more of a Bendis-decision rather than an "editorial decision", but that's just minor nit-picking.
I'm not so sure it was.
Well, wasn't Bendis the one who took the original five X-Men and, for a while, brought them to "the future" (our "present day") and in the process made Iceman (Bobby Drake) gay?

To me, the idea of tweaking (AGAIN!) the LoSH seems like it would fit Bendis' patterns, not to mention the idea of AGAIN having Superman's identity as Clark Kent being public knowledge.

Since I'm not reading any of the Super-books, I can't say how exactly his handling of them is. However, after what I've read by Bendis in the past, and having read his Superman story in Action Comics #1000, I have no desire whatsoever to give his stuff a try to see if I'm right or wrong (unless maybe they were offering free reprint issues like they do during the annual "Batman Day").
Bensis did bring the original X-Men into the future, yes, but I don't realy see how that relates to the Legion. As I understand it, he originally intended the new series to feature the classic Legion, and wrote their initial appearance as such, but had to alter it. As for his Superman run, Lucy and I have been enjoying it immensely. And Superman making his identity known to the world does actually make sense; as he himself says, hiding his identity in order to protect his loved ones is hardly a consideration, since everyone already knows they're his loved ones.
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Post by Mbast1 on Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:54 am

tony ingram wrote:The Legion were originally being set up to be a major factor in Doomsday Clock. Then, DC decided to reboot the characters (at very short notice; artwork was leaked showing their return in Superman, and they were clearly the "classic" team, but by the time the book came out (reissued after the initial print run was recalled) they had been completely redesigned). Johns abruptly wrote Imra Ardeen out of Doomsday Clock the same month.

That's interesting, weird though. I would hate writing for this kind of closed universe, in that so many other people can force changes in your work. I hate that now...
Thanks!
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Post by MajorHoy on Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:51 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:The Legion were originally being set up to be a major factor in Doomsday Clock. Then, DC decided to reboot the characters (at very short notice; artwork was leaked showing their return in Superman, and they were clearly the "classic" team, but by the time the book came out (reissued after the initial print run was recalled) they had been completely redesigned). Johns abruptly wrote Imra Ardeen out of Doomsday Clock the same month.
That's interesting, weird though. I would hate writing for this kind of closed universe, in that so many other people can force changes in your work. I hate that now...
Thanks!
Well, to be fair, this project was originally suppose to have been 12 monthly issues, wasn't it?

So how fair would it have been for one writer / one project to delay any developments for the entire universe an additional 2+ years?
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Post by Mbast1 on Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:54 pm

MajorHoy wrote:Well, to be fair, this project was originally suppose to have been 12 monthly issues, wasn't it?

So how fair would it have been for one writer / one project to delay any developments for the entire universe an additional 2+ years?

On the other hand, to be fair, maybe the reason it was delayed was due to interference and rewrites? No way to know.
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Post by tony ingram on Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:44 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:Well, to be fair, this project was originally suppose to have been 12 monthly issues, wasn't it?

So how fair would it have been for one writer / one project to delay any developments for the entire universe an additional 2+ years?

On the other hand, to be fair, maybe the reason it was delayed was due to interference and rewrites? No way to know.
Precisely! DC have undergone some fairly major changes in management in the last two years, a lot of writers seem to have been screwed around.
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Post by MajorHoy on Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:48 am

Mbast1 wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:Well, to be fair, this project was originally suppose to have been 12 monthly issues, wasn't it?

So how fair would it have been for one writer / one project to delay any developments for the entire universe an additional 2+ years?
On the other hand, to be fair, maybe the reason it was delayed was due to interference and rewrites? No way to know.
Considering Geoff Johns' track record of delays with titles over the past few years, I think some of that blame lands squarely on him.
And don't forget, he had other duties for DC/WB that consumed much of his time.
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Post by Mbast1 on Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:22 pm

MajorHoy wrote:Considering Geoff Johns' track record of delays with titles over the past few years, I think some of that blame lands squarely on him.
And don't forget, he had other duties for DC/WB that consumed much of his time.

True, and that may be what's going on, him being at fault. But, I can't know. I'm not a fan of his work, but this is something I can't blame him for entirely. Then again, MANY things aren't on schedule from the major publishers, and that's just the way of the market at the moment.
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