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Post by Mbast1 Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:56 pm

This story, taking into account the source, makes it look as if DC has suffered some really bad layoffs.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/massive-warner-layoffs-gut-dc-comics-dc-universe-1844684639

Then this is referenced:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-comics-dc-universe-hit-by-major-layoffs-1306743

Not sure what this means to their plans, obviously, but it can not be good.
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Post by MajorHoy Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:39 am

Mbast1 wrote:This story, taking into account the source, makes it look as if DC has suffered some really bad layoffs.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/massive-warner-layoffs-gut-dc-comics-dc-universe-1844684639

Then this is referenced:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-comics-dc-universe-hit-by-major-layoffs-1306743

Not sure what this means to their plans, obviously, but it can not be good.
DC Implosion 2.0?
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Post by Barry_Allen Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:22 am

It seems so and, while I think that no one will cry for those highest paid Dc Vice Presidents fired, including the infamous Bob Harras (the architect of those terrible Marvel crossovers of the Nineties and over...), Hank Kanalz (the dialogist and, in first issue listed also as co-creator of Liefeld's Youngblood) to whom, in last years, the Vertigo editors had to refer and Jonah Weiland (the guy who created the once useful Cbr website, then sold it for a big $um and disappeared for a couple of years only to resurface in 2016 at Dc Comics as VP of... maybe Nothing), there are some talented editors and people working there for several years (like former TCJ editor Scott Nybakken who has been at Dc for 25+ years!) laid off which means that the quality of the comics published by Dc will probably hit a new, lowest point.
The comic book series Hawkman, Teen Titans, Young Justice (first of the Wonder Comics line edited by Brian Bendis title to close), Suicide Squad (after only 11 issues of the current incarnation), John Constantine: Hellblazer will have their last issue published next November while Batgirl, Batman and the Outsiders and Justice League Odissey will close their run the month before; it is uncertain the future of Aquaman, whose # 65 next December will mark also the end of the Kelly Sue DeConnick run.
The editor of the highly successful Black Label line (300.000 copies sold of Three Jokers # 1, Jim Lee said) was laid off too, Dc Direct, the collectibles line has been closed in a moment after 22 years of nice and great products, and all the people working at Dc Universe, the streaming service, have been fired too. Shocked
Jim Lee has given an embarrassing interview to Hollywood Reporter in which he basically reveals that he stay as COO for now but from this September he will be under the tutelage of an editor who, in another article, is said to come from the world of eSports ..... No comment! Mad
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dcs-jim-lee-companys-future-we-are-still-business-publishing-comics-1307413
Tomorrow is the day of the 1st part of the Dc Fandome "event" at 12-13'00 in (I suppose most of) the USA, 18'00 London Time - 19'00 Italian Time, will you see it? Neutral
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Post by MajorHoy Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:55 pm

Barry_Allen wrote: . . . Tomorrow is the day of the 1st part of the Dc Fandome "event" at 12-13'00 in (I suppose most of) the USA, 18'00 London Time - 19'00 Italian Time, will you see it? Neutral
Actually, "most of the USA" would be a questionable statement if it's done live because the U.S. mainland (the 48 contiguous states) encompasses four time zones (Eastern, Central, Mountain, and Pacific), and then there are additional time zones for Alaska and Hawaii. (And I'm not sure if there are any additional time zones for any of the other territories the U.S. has.)

As to the main part of the question, I hadn't planned to see it before they announced the firings, and I still don't plan to. (I'll just wait to see if/what summaries make the internet some other time.)
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Post by Barry_Allen Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:12 am

Yes, I wrote that line too fast, sorry about that!  Rolling Eyes
Well, after all, the Dc Fandome "event" revealed itself to be a flop, despite big hype also here in national news, basically it was only a set of trailers revealed together...
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Post by MajorHoy Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:49 pm

Barry_Allen wrote: . . . Well, after all, the Dc Fandome "event" revealed itself to be a flop, despite big hype also here in national news, basically it was only a set of trailers revealed together...
But that's all DC is to too many people these days: movies, TV shows, and video games, just things that may have been based on the comic books at one time.

I thought I'd been hearing for the past several years that the San Diego "Comic Con" (the big comic convention of the year) had been becoming more of a showcase for movie stuff with less emphasis on the comic books themselves (at least in the media coverage of it).
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Post by Barry_Allen Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:31 am

MajorHoy wrote:
But that's all DC is to too many people these days: movies, TV shows, and video games, just things that may have been based on the comic books at one time.
Of course you're right...  Crying or Very sad
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I thought I'd been hearing for the past several years that the San Diego "Comic Con" (the big comic convention of the year) had been becoming more of a showcase for movie stuff with less emphasis on the comic books themselves (at least in the media coverage of it).
The same happened in Italy with the Lucca Comics and games fair which, over the years, has surpassed San Diego in terms of public and was second in the world only to Tokyo based Komikaze (cancelled this year, while Lucca at the moment is confermed, I don't know how they plan to organize in safety for all attendees since, in recent years, there were so many people in the streets of the town that, just to cross a square, it took an hour and a half (I'm not kidding ...!).
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Post by Mbast1 Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:18 pm

MajorHoy wrote:But that's all DC is to too many people these days: movies, TV shows, and video games, just things that may have been based on the comic books at one time.

The thing is, that makes sense though. Comic books are almost the definition of a niche item. Fewer and fewer people read them, and if they know the characters it's from other media.
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Post by tony ingram Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:45 am

Mbast1 wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:But that's all DC is to too many people these days: movies, TV shows, and video games, just things that may have been based on the comic books at one time.

The thing is, that makes sense though. Comic books are almost the definition of a niche item. Fewer and fewer people read them, and if they know the characters it's from other media.
That's been the case for decades. I doubt there's anyone anywhere who hasn't at least heard of Superman, Batman or Spider-Man, but most of them will in all probability never have read a comic. Even in the seventies, here in Britain superheroes were mostly known from TV cartoon shows.
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Post by MajorHoy Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:21 pm

tony ingram wrote:That's been the case for decades. I doubt there's anyone anywhere who hasn't at least heard of Superman, Batman or Spider-Man, but most of them will in all probability never have read a comic. Even in the seventies, here in Britain superheroes were mostly known from TV cartoon shows.
But back in the 1970s, how often would kids first see the characters on TV cartoons and then start picking up the comic books they were in? I know I was first aware of Superman and Batman before I was able to really read.
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Post by tony ingram Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:15 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:That's been the case for decades. I doubt there's anyone anywhere who hasn't at least heard of Superman, Batman or Spider-Man, but most of them will in all probability never have read a comic. Even in the seventies, here in Britain superheroes were mostly known from TV cartoon shows.
But back in the 1970s, how often would kids first see the characters on TV cartoons and then start picking up the comic books they were in?  I know I was first aware of Superman and Batman before I was able to really read.
True. These days, most of them don't seem to move on to reading for pleasure, sadly.
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Post by Mbast1 Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:02 pm

tony ingram wrote:True. These days, most of them don't seem to move on to reading for pleasure, sadly.

Right, and that is the problem for companies. They're not going to put a ton of money into something that earns little.
I do NOT get it, I will ready almost anything you put in front of me, but a company can't base anything on that.
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Post by MajorHoy Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:39 pm

Mbast1 wrote: . . . I will ready almost anything you put in front of me . . .
Glad you added the word "almost" in front of "anything". Wink

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I definitely have no plans to try ANY of these types of books...
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Post by Mbast1 Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:48 pm

This might add something to what DC's doing:

https://www.cbr.com/dc-future-state-event-early-2021/
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Post by tony ingram Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:01 pm

Mbast1 wrote:This might add something to what DC's doing:

https://www.cbr.com/dc-future-state-event-early-2021/
Interesting! The last time they did somrething like this, they were moving...
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Post by MajorHoy Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:01 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Mbast1 wrote:This might add something to what DC's doing:

https://www.cbr.com/dc-future-state-event-early-2021/
Interesting! The last time they did somrething like this, they were moving...
And now they're also moving, but I think it's just downward.
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Post by Mbast1 Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:59 pm

MajorHoy wrote:And now they're also moving, but I think it's just downward.

I don't mean this to sound like a huge criticism, and I've said this before, but they seem lost. Like they have no idea WHAT to do. And given current conditions, that may be their state for years, IF they survive. Warner Brothers doesn't seem to care if they do. More like they were bought for intellectual property to exploit for other media, and not to continue publishing. And that sucks. I love comics, and I hope they continue, but they've been struggling for a long time, and it seems to just get worse.
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Post by MajorHoy Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:08 am

Mbast1 wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:And now they're also moving, but I think it's just downward.
I don't mean this to sound like a huge criticism, and I've said this before, but they seem lost. Like they have no idea WHAT to do. And given current conditions, that may be their state for years, IF they survive...
. . . I love comics, and I hope they continue, but they've been struggling for a long time, and it seems to just get worse.
But, is that a problem unique to DC or more of an industry-wide problem with comic books that aren't manga imports?
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Post by Mbast1 Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:37 pm

MajorHoy wrote:But, is that a problem unique to DC or more of an industry-wide problem with comic books that aren't manga imports?

Both, in that DC now has to answer to WB directly but also it's industry-wide.
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