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Post by Hourglass on Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:54 pm

Many heroes and villains have met an untimely end. Some have died in battle, others in much more sad and tragic ways. Do you have a particular death scene that moves you or like (I'm not morbid honest Very Happy ).

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by felneymike on Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:15 pm

The end of War Picture Library no 56, The Crowded Sky, is a favourite...

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:34 pm

J'onn J'onzz.

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:01 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:J'onn J'onzz.
Yeah, but J'onn came back!

Anyway: for me, Giant Size Avengers #2, featuring the death of the Swordsman. Sword was a fairly minor character, though an Avenger nonetheless, but somehow his was the first death of a fictional character to really affect me (I'd have been eight) and it's stayed with me ever since.





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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by MR X on Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:37 pm

Pretty evocative stuff, Tony; the above b/w artwork is clearly inspired by Kirby but possibly by one of his disciples: who executed these excellent panels. I wonder?

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:43 pm

MR X wrote:Pretty evocative stuff, Tony; the above b/w artwork is clearly inspired by Kirby but possibly by one of his disciples: who executed these excellent panels. I wonder?
Art by Dave Cockrum, story by Steve Englehart. A beautiful piece of work.

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:55 pm

tony ingram wrote:Yeah, but J'onn came back!
They all come back in the end.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:57 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:
tony ingram wrote:Yeah, but J'onn came back!
They all come back in the end.
It used to be said that the only two characters in comics who were guaranteed to stay dead were Bucky Barnes and Peter Parker's Uncle Ben.

And then Bucky came back.

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:02 pm

Even Jason ruddy Todd came back!

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:04 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Even Jason ruddy Todd came back!
I know! And after several thousand Bat-fans voted to kill the little bugger, too! I felt betrayed! Mad

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by Hourglass on Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:13 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:Even Jason ruddy Todd came back!
I know! And after several thousand Bat-fans voted to kill the little bugger, too! I felt betrayed! Mad

What about Batmans parents, that makes three Very Happy

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:18 pm

Hourglass wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:Even Jason ruddy Todd came back!
I know! And after several thousand Bat-fans voted to kill the little bugger, too! I felt betrayed! Mad

What about Batmans parents, that makes three Very Happy
True. And Jore El and Lara, who sent their son to Earth to become Superman: the last son of Krypton.

Except, of course, for the Phantom Zone villains. And Supergirl. And the entire population of Argo City. And the entire population of the Bottle City of Kandor. And Krypto the superdog and Beppo the super monkey...

In fact, I'm not actually sure that Jor El and Lara weren't, in fact, the only people dumb enough to have stayed on Krypton until it blew up...

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:28 pm

We've got New Krypton now, haven't we?

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:49 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:We've got New Krypton now, haven't we?
Yep. Are you reading the Superman books, then? I'm really quite enjoying the New Krypton saga!

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by GBF on Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:46 am

They all come back...except for one which I think you've all missed (Tony will tell me otherwise in a minute): The guy in FF 51 (This Man, This Monster) who stole Ben's powers to beat Reed Richards and then saved Reed in the Negative Zone, before being destroyed himself. I read somewhere he was called 'The Changeling', but it's not mentioned in the issue. This is my all time favourite comic book. The story, and art are second to none. NONE. Coming in between the Galactus Trilogy and the introduction of the Black Panther, it was a quiet little breather as only Jack Kirby could come up with (Okay, Stan's words are good but it's pure vintage Kirby). But - did I say 'breather'? A one issue story dropped right in the middle of staggering FF continuity about a scientist who is the equal of Richards, steals the powers of Richard's best friend, follows him into the Negative Zone, saves the man he hates (after realizing that Reed is a good egg) and then sits on a rock waiting for his fate. Check it out - it's quite possibly the best thing you will ever read in a comic book.

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by tony ingram on Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:57 am

That is actually a terrific story-and you're right Glenn, he's never returned! Unlike this guy, whose eventual return (to me) devalued what I still think is one of the best (if most confusing) death scenes ever, as executed by Jim Starlin...






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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:27 pm

I've just remembered 'Whatever Happened to the Crimson Avenger' from DC Comics Presents #38. Not only a great death scene for one of comics' earliest superheroes, but probably one of the best stories ever in a DC comic. It's an eight page short which begins with the Crimson musing over how he's a man out of his time (after being rescued from several decades in a time warp a few years before) and feels redundant, and ends with him piloting a bomb laden boat away from a harbour before it blows up, saving the lives of thousands at the cost of his own-though nobody knows he's done it or notes his passing except one little girl...

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by alanultron5 on Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:42 pm

I did like the way the `Dread Dormammu` checked out in Strange Tales #46. He had a showdown with the bieng `Eternity` and old DD got `smashed` between two onrushing spheres/planets? Though of course he did come back!

The Marvel villian I recall getting `killed` more times than any other was the `Puppet Master` it became a bit of a Joke in fan corcles and Marvel got some pretty sarcy comments from readers circa 1969-70 era if I recall correct!

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:49 pm

I believe the Puppet Master is currently dead again.

That's an official classification now, by the way: the most recent editions of Marvel's Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe actually list the status of the X-Men's Jean Grey as 'currently dead', a reflection on the number of times she's been resurrected. It's become such a joke that even her husband cracks gags about it in the actual comics!

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by alanultron5 on Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:52 pm

Yes! Sometimes Marvel shot themselves in the `foot` if no villians die for good, you do lose something!

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by tony ingram on Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:56 pm

The problem is, Marvel's editors (and, indeed, DC's to a lesser extent) don't really bother about keeping track of continuity in titles they don't personally handle, anymore. as a result, if a writer forgets a character is dead, or simply isn't aware of it since they didn't read the story in which it happened, nobody catches it and the character just reappears without explanation. it would never have happened when Marvel's unofficial 'continuity cop', Mark Gruenwald, was alive.

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by Hourglass on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:05 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:Even Jason ruddy Todd came back!
I know! And after several thousand Bat-fans voted to kill the little bugger, too! I felt betrayed! Mad

Why did you hate Todd so?

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:09 pm

Because he was one of the single most annoying characters in comics. Not so much the original version in the Doug Moench scripted stories, but the later Todd was just a stereotypical 'bad kid with a heart of gold', and really, even bringing him into the strip seemed pointless since he was just there as a replacement for Dick grayson-who'd been written out because it was felt that kid sidekicks no longer worked! I mean ffs, if they no longer work, why create a new one? Rolling Eyes

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by Hourglass on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:18 pm

tony ingram wrote:Because he was one of the single most annoying characters in comics. Not so much the original version in the Doug Moench scripted stories, but the later Todd was just a stereotypical 'bad kid with a heart of gold', and really, even bringing him into the strip seemed pointless since he was just there as a replacement for Dick grayson-who'd been written out because it was felt that kid sidekicks no longer worked! I mean ffs, if they no longer work, why create a new one? Rolling Eyes

So he's the Adric of Batman then lol.

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:21 pm

essentially, yes. They actually created two separate endings for the 'death in the Family' storyline and let readers vote by phone on whether he lived or died horribly at the hands of the Joker. The readers voted overwhelmingly in favour of murdering the little sod, and they still brought him back!

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Post by Hourglass on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:26 pm

But surely his death served a purpose right. Didn't it emotionally scar Batman if I recall. Bringing him back technically undoes all the character development the death causes.

I think the best death recently was of Captain America.

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by tony ingram on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:33 pm

He's back, too...

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Post by Hourglass on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:35 pm

I know, but even so, it was cool at the time.

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by GBF on Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:08 pm

Whoever the sniper was that got Cap - he was rubbish. Snipers always go for a head shot. It's a matter of pride... Twisted Evil

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:14 pm

GBF wrote:Whoever the sniper was that got Cap - he was rubbish. Snipers always go for a head shot. It's a matter of pride... Twisted Evil
It was Sharon Carter, Agent 13 of SHIELD. That's women for you, always want to prove they can do the practical jobs, never seem to finish them properly.

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Re: Best death scene in a comic book

Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:38 pm

You're asking for a head shot Evil or Very Mad

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:56 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:You're asking for a head shot Evil or Very Mad
You'd undoubtedly miss, and shoot me in the chest with a gun which unknown to you had been modified to destabilise my personal chronal history and send me hurtling back into my own timestream before returning two years later to take over as head of the U.S's national security.

Based on what happened to Cap.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:21 pm

Sounds like a rip-off of the Omega Sanction.

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Post by GBF on Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:35 pm

That explains it then - wasn't she Cap's lover at one time?

Luce - do you mean 'The Eiger Sanction'?

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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:37 pm

GBF wrote:That explains it then - wasn't she Cap's lover at one time?
Aha! A symbolic penetration! [/Freudian literary analysis]

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:44 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:
GBF wrote:That explains it then - wasn't she Cap's lover at one time?
Aha! A symbolic penetration! [/Freudian literary analysis]
Agent 13 not only was Cap's lover, she still is. He seems to have forgiven her for assassinating him.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:10 pm

And if their relationship can survive that, it can survive anything.

So who was the young lady crying over him as he kicked the bucket?

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:13 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:And if their relationship can survive that, it can survive anything.

So who was the young lady crying over him as he kicked the bucket?
That was her, though nobody realised she'd fired the shot at the time. She was being mind controlled by Arnim Zola the deranged Nazi scientist.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:47 pm

So it wasn't a symbolic penetration after all Sad

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Post by GBF on Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:56 pm

Nothing wrong with a little symbolic penetation. Didn't Jimmy Carter mention something about that in the 70s? and don't tell me you weren't around in the 70s because I bet you've heard of Jesus and it's a while since he was causing trouble... Evil or Very Mad

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Post by GBF on Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:58 pm

So - Cap hasn't married that girl and he's been going around with her since 1968? shame on him - no wonder she took a t shot at him. Bet Luce would have shot him YEARS ago...after burning her bra!!! affraid

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:06 pm

GBF wrote:So - Cap hasn't married that girl and he's been going around with her since 1968? shame on him - no wonder she took a t shot at him. Bet Luce would have shot him YEARS ago...after burning her bra!!! affraid
Why would Luce burn Agent 13's bra? Anyway, Sharon Carter was dead herself for about twenty five years there, so Cap has an excuse for not getting hitched to her...

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Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:20 pm

GBF wrote:So - Cap hasn't married that girl and he's been going around with her since 1968? shame on him - no wonder she took a t shot at him. Bet Luce would have shot him YEARS ago...after burning her bra!!! affraid
Waste of good lingerie. D'you think I'm made of money? Razz

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:22 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:
GBF wrote:So - Cap hasn't married that girl and he's been going around with her since 1968? shame on him - no wonder she took a t shot at him. Bet Luce would have shot him YEARS ago...after burning her bra!!! affraid
Waste of good lingerie. D'you think I'm made of money? Razz
The idealism of the seventies eclipsed by the materialism of the noughties, a sad sight to see... Laughing

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Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:10 pm

This is 2010. I don't think this is the noughties any more. Further more, frugality is not the same thing as materialism Razz

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:13 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:This is 2010. I don't think this is the noughties any more. Further more, frugality is not the same thing as materialism Razz
Frugality? Is that spelt M.E.A.N? Razz

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Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:18 pm

Yes. Yes, it is. That is why I demand that you buy me an Apple iMac for Christmas.

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:19 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Yes. Yes, it is. That is why I demand that you buy me an Apple iMac for Christmas.
How about I just buy you an apple and a mac. A nice Golden Delicious and a bit of protection if it rains-sound good to you?

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Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:24 pm

See, that would actually be a lot more useful Smile

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:27 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:See, that would actually be a lot more useful Smile
You also don't have to plug a raincoat into the mais to get it to work. Unless you have very specialised requirements, of course.

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