Day of the Moon

I think we can now safely say that Doctor Who is not doing cosy and sentimental anymore! The Silents, I think, are an amazing creation-and the Doctor's method of dealing with them suitably innovative. But what did they actually want?

And if Amy's 'potential' pregnancy does indeed result in that child, it appears that all that time travel has indeed had an effect...

Amy has a magical womb!

And I think Gallifrey Base has crashed...

Lucy McGough wrote:And I think Gallifrey Base has crashed...

Now that's made my day!

They're not all twats. I met you there, remember?

That was a good episode, but boy did it leave a lot of questions unanswered!

Lucy McGough wrote:They're not all twats. I met you there, remember?

That was a good episode, but boy did it leave a lot of questions unanswered!

Deliberately so. But I think some of the answers were there-it's just up to the viewer to work them out...

Why, then I must rely on your great intellect to provide your lowly disciple with the answers

Lucy McGough wrote:Why, then I must rely on your great intellect to provide your lowly disciple with the answers

OK, specific question?

Who the merry heck was that kid and why could she regenerate?

tony ingram wrote:OK, specific question?

OK, why call them The Silents when its The Silence?

Lucy McGough wrote:Who the merry heck was that kid and why could she regenerate?

Based on what we saw...

The kid had a photo of Amy with a baby. Amy may or may not be pregnant (time seems to be in a state of flux about that, given how the scanner kept flipping between positive and negative on the pregnancy test). And Amy did not tell Rory she was pregnant in case traveling in the TARDIS had affected the pregnancy. My guess is, it did: the little girl is Amy's potential child and she can regenerate and is superhumanly strong because Amy's exposure to the time vortex has caused the child to be born with the abilities of a Time Lord.

kembel wrote:

tony ingram wrote:OK, specific question?

OK, why call them The Silents when its The Silence?

Perhaps Silence is the plural of Silents?

If it wasn't for Iplayer I would have missed both of this series so far. 6? What.

How did Amy's potential child get born but then end up as an orphan in 1960's America? XD

Anyway, Pirates next week!

felneymike wrote:If it wasn't for Iplayer I would have missed both of this series so far. 6? What.

How did Amy's potential child get born but then end up as an orphan in 1960's America? XD

Anyway, Pirates next week!

I suspect that is an ongoing plotline. Moffat said on Confidential tonight that he doesn't feel any story should ever fully end, they should all leave questions for the next story to answer.

tony ingram wrote:Perhaps Silence is the plural of Silents?

Based on what I've read....

No it isn't. But then there is a lot of 'perhaps' in the world of 'Who', especially on online forums.

Load of bollocks.

codywillis1 wrote:Load of bollocks.

Oh, I don't know. Tony's analysis was basically sound.

kembel wrote:

codywillis1 wrote:Load of bollocks.

Oh, I don't know. Tony's analysis was basically sound.

Thank you. But I think Cody was simply giving us his customary in-depth analysis of the episode itself.

It kind of did have a few plotholes in it.

Lucy McGough wrote:It kind of did have a few plotholes in it.

Go on, then-where?

Lucy McGough wrote:It kind of did have a few plotholes in it.

Oh I don't know. Tony's analysis was basically sound.

Will have to watch it again as I missed the beginning. But enjoyed it - but still can't get used to that 'Pshhhhhh' noise when they pull up the visor...that part isn't pressurised!! Sorry chaps, not wanting to name drop or anything, but I've been on that Hoover Dam and it's a long way down! I also flew over it on the way to The Grand Canyon and a helicopter flight down into the canyon...if you want to see the film let me know! And while we're talking 'Moon'...I have an Ebook published on the 20 May called 'The Dark Side of the Moon' - it's only £4.99 so make sure you buy three copies! I'll tell you the full publishing details when I know them myself!!

tony ingram wrote:Go on, then-where?

Plot holes

• How does the USA have the technology to build stuff out of dark star alloy in 1969?
  
• How do the Tardis crew go from not knowing that the Silent exist in episode one to being able to remember them in episode two?
  
• Why was building a box from dark star alloy even necessary?
  
• Why on earth was that Silent stupid enough to say "You should kill us all on sight"?
  
• How exactly was the cliffhanger from the end of episode one resolved, and why was it necessary for them to go on the run?
  
• How come the Tardis can go invisible now?
  
• If that little girl could escape from the space suit all by herself, why was she calling for help and why didn't she escape before?
  
• How did Canton fake Amy and Rory's deaths convincingly in front of trained FBI staff?
  
• Why did their deaths have to be faked in the first place?

Will have to watch it again as I missed the beginning. But enjoyed it - but still can't get used to that 'Pshhhhhh' noise when they pull up the visor...that part isn't pressurised!! Sorry chaps, not wanting to name drop or anything, but I've been on that Hoover Dam and it's a long way down! I also flew over it on the way to The Grand Canyon and a helicopter flight down into the canyon...if you want to see the film let me know! And while we're talking 'Moon'...I have an Ebook published on the 20 May called 'The Dark Side of the Moon' - it's only £4.99 so make sure you buy three copies! I'll tell you the full publishing details when I know them myself!!

Sorry about the double post - I'm having a little trouble with my email thing...

Sure you didn't just want twice as much boasting?

Me? Boast?! It was a mistake. All of it. I won't say anything more.

Stylishly put together but all over the bloody place, with plot holes to drive a truck through and entire sequences of nonsense there for no reason other than to be 'cool' (the entire opening to part 2, for instance).

The germ of a good story in there and the Silence are alright (if not that good) but a mess, basically. Granted, that's still better than all of the RTD openers but that ain't saying much, is it? Sadly, Smithy is starting to grate my cheese already too.

Really hope it's gonna get better.

Hmmm...

How does the USA have the technology to build stuff out of dark star alloy in 1969?
Maybe Torchwood had some laying around

How do the Tardis crew go from not knowing that the Silent exist in episode one to being able to remember them in episode two?
I think the Doctor saw one right at the end of episode 1 and, er...
Mind you, Amy's photo never came up again. Maybe in the 3 months between the two she showed it to him and then he worked out the plan of writing marks on yourself when you see them. Perhaps her taking the photo was hastily written in to episode 1 after somebody noticed this plot hole during a script read through XD.[/b]

Why was building a box from dark star alloy even necessary?
I suppose it was so the aliens couldn't see/hear/get inside and thus the characters could plot in safety. Mind you as the aliens were "technically" invisible one of them could have just stood there while it was being built and would end up inside. Why they would need to build such a box when the TARDIS was also apparently impenetrable/unknown to the aliens is something else. Also maybe the soldiers guarding the box as it was being built were told to always look at it, so that if an alien went near it they would be seen.

Why on earth was that Silent stupid enough to say "You should kill us all on sight"?
Oh right, I couldn't actually understand what it was saying XD. I just assumed the image of one would make people 'remember' them and then they'd attack them from simple Cold War era alien fear.

How exactly was the cliffhanger from the end of episode one resolved, and why was it necessary for them to go on the run?
Erm...
The "on the run" thing seems to have been some kind of plan to make the aliens think they had turned the humans against each other. Why they needed to do that when they could have just made their plans in any old sealed room with a ring of people looking "outwards" I don't know.

How come the Tardis can go invisible now?
Haven't got a clue about that one

If that little girl could escape from the space suit all by herself, why was she calling for help and why didn't she escape before?
Or that one

How did Canton fake Amy and Rory's deaths convincingly in front of trained FBI staff?
They were in on it

Why did their deaths have to be faked in the first place?
Perhaps to make the aliens think they had "got rid of the problem"

GBF wrote:Me? Boast?! It was a mistake. All of it. I won't say anything more.

I was only teasing - didn't mean to make you sad

I know! I was only teasing too!! So here's some more...just got word this afternoon that a publisher is interested in another one of my SF novels!! (Ingram has read it and STILL not said anything, so it must be good!!) And the same publisher is showing BIG interest in my 'Mister Kuiper' graphic novel too!! I know these days it's "Cool" not to say anything about anything and not be impressed - BUT I AM!! I will, of course, keep you all informed and then you can all buy it!!
Va Va Voom!!
(Watch it now - the damn things won't see the light of day...)

Where is Ingram anyway?

Oh - and 'Hatch' is going to be on the radio in the States soon - will keep you informed!! Where are you, Ingram?

Tony's ill. He's got suspected chicken pox

That's what he said last time he needed a shot of penicillin...

Lucy McGough wrote:Tony's ill. He's got suspected chicken pox

Make that 'confirmed', Luce-just posting to explain why I haven't been posting really, but i'm feeling diabolical right now (and looking like The Singing Detective) so I'm not really up to writing much.

I will just say though, Luce-you asked since when can the TARDIS become invisible? Since November 1968. It first showed this capacity in part one of The Invasion.

I've been arguing with Charlie about it and decided that I no longer care because it's only a sodding TV programme.

Get well soon

I suspect my devastating critique made Tony ill.

You're good, but you're not that good

This is the wrong thread for it, but what the hell: I really liked 'The Keeper of Traken'.

Tony - how can you know that you look like The Singing Detective with all that facial hair??!! Have you shaved it off?!

It's the end... but the moment has been prepared for

Lucy McGough wrote:It's the end... but the moment has been prepared for

Why, I recognise that from somewh....? Thats L-O-G-O....

Bye bye, Tom Baker

Things were never quite the same again. He was the Doc for what seemed like forever when I was a kid.

Each regeneration story has some kind of 'end of era' feel about it, (well, except for Time and the Rani, and the TV Movie I suppose) but for me Logopolis is the best, one sad sombre lament for the passing of what many people see as the greatest Doc of all.

Master: I appear to have accidentally initiated the complete annihilation of reality. Please can you fix it for me, Doctor?

Doctor: Okay.

Master: *kills Doctor*

Also, doesn't this make 'The Keeper of Traken' the most pointless story ever, seeing as the planet is obliterated as soon as they turn their backs? And I liked its art deco vibe

Lucy McGough wrote:Master: I appear to have accidentally initiated the complete annihilation of reality. Please can you fix it for me, Doctor?

Doctor: Okay.

Master: *kills Doctor*

Also, doesn't this make 'The Keeper of Traken' the most pointless story ever, seeing as the planet is obliterated as soon as they turn their backs? And I liked its art deco vibe

Not necessarily. Is it ever actually stated that the events of The Keeper of Traken are contemporaneous with Earth? Yes, Nyssa contacted the Doctor-but he's got a time machine. Nyssa's era might have been long gone by the time Traken blinked out, the unlucky lady having missed out on two thousand years of planetwide tranquility under Keeper Luvic...

That still doesn't make it okay

Poor old Nyssa

Lucy McGough wrote:That still doesn't make it okay

Poor old Nyssa

She'd only have been bored if she'd stayed...

But her dad died. I don't like stories about people's dads dying.

Anyway, I'd rather be bored than have to share a Tardis with Adric.

Lucy McGough wrote:But her dad died. I don't like stories about people's dads dying.

Anyway, I'd rather be bored than have to share a Tardis with Adric.

Or, indeed, Tegan.