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Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:28 am

Just because we have an Avengers thread, here's one for discussion of all things X-Men (assuming, of course, that we have any X-fans amongst us). I was raised on the original X-Men in various reprints, so I still have a soft spot for them (particularly the Steranko and Neal Adams issues) but I did eventually get into the "new" tteam in the late 70s. Still can't beat the originals, though...

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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:55 pm

I use to love the X-Men.

Can't stomach them any longer.
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Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:40 pm

MajorHoy wrote:I use to love the X-Men.  

Can't stomach them any longer.
Since when? What put you off?
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Post by Lucy Ingram on Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:50 pm

MajorHoy wrote:I use to love the X-Men.  

Can't stomach them any longer.

Try omeprazole.
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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:04 pm

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:I use to love the X-Men.  

Can't stomach them any longer.
Since when? What put you off?
I sort of lost some interest in the late 1980s / early 1990s when Claremont got carried away with alternate future storylines, then gave up on comic books entirely in 1995.

Tried to look into some X-Men again around 2010 and read some random issues of the Second Coming stuff . . . was totally turned off by the end of X-Men: Second Coming #2 when Scott and Emma Frost (ewwww) became orgasmic at the end over malformed mutant babies being born again in the world. (C'mon, let's face it: what percent of mutant kids are going to be horribly deformed and have god-awful lives?)

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:11 pm

I must admit, I never really understood when they went from caring about mutants to actually wanting more mutants to be born. It happened around the time of Morrison's run, I think, when suddenly there were more mutants than ever before, with more extreme mutations than ever before, and suddenly they were referring to themselves as a separate species. Until then, it had been all about helping the persecuted mutant minority to integrate. A subtle but significant shift.
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Post by Lucy Ingram on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:04 pm

MajorHoy wrote:(C'mon, let's face it: what percent of mutant kids are going to be horribly deformed and have god-awful lives?)

Well, I dunno about 'horribly deformed' or 'god-awful lives', but Down's syndrome is a mutation. It means you're born with an extra chromosome.
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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:42 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:(C'mon, let's face it: what percent of mutant kids are going to be horribly deformed and have god-awful lives?)
Well, I dunno about 'horribly deformed' or 'god-awful lives', but Down's syndrome is a mutation. It means you're born with an extra chromosome.
But I would guess Cerebro (or whatever thy use these days) would monitor for mutations that would involve unique abilities / powers, not just minor quirks, oddities, or other malformations that would also be classified as "mutations".
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Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:44 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:(C'mon, let's face it: what percent of mutant kids are going to be horribly deformed and have god-awful lives?)
Well, I dunno about 'horribly deformed' or 'god-awful lives', but Down's syndrome is a mutation. It means you're born with an extra chromosome.
But I would guess Cerebro (or whatever thy use these days) would monitor for mutations that would involve unique abilities / powers, not just minor quirks, oddities, or other malformations that would also be classified as "mutations".
Tell that to Grant Morrison. Some of his additions to the Xavier School were just plain deformed.
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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:13 pm

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:(C'mon, let's face it: what percent of mutant kids are going to be horribly deformed and have god-awful lives?)
Well, I dunno about 'horribly deformed' or 'god-awful lives', but Down's syndrome is a mutation. It means you're born with an extra chromosome.
But I would guess Cerebro (or whatever thy use these days) would monitor for mutations that would involve unique abilities / powers, not just minor quirks, oddities, or other malformations that would also be classified as "mutations".
Tell that to Grant Morrison. Some of his additions to the Xavier School were just plain deformed.
But they do anything unique with their deformities, like play God Save the Queen on their big toe or something?
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Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:21 pm

Not noticeably, no.
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Post by Lucy Ingram on Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:08 pm

Yeah, that Beak chap was messed up.
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Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:56 am

It's notable, I think, that with the exception of Beak (who joined the Exiles) and the Stepford Cuckoos, virtually every significant character Morrison added to the cast has not been seen since his run ended. Marvel seem to have quietly erased much of it from X-Men history, or at least to be ignoring it.
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Post by Lucy Ingram on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:51 am

Gone the way of Peter Parker's marriage, has it?
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Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:01 am

Lucy McGough wrote:Gone the way of Peter Parker's marriage, has it?
Not quite, but nearly. At least with the marriage, though, there was an actual reason given in-story...
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Post by Lucy Ingram on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:02 am

"And then all the mutants fell down a big hole and were never heard from again."
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Post by MajorHoy on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:41 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:Gone the way of Peter Parker's marriage, has it?
Not quite, but nearly. At least with the marriage, though, there was an actual reason given in-story...
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Did Morrison introduce them before or after Wanda used her Hex powers to thin out the mutant herd?
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Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:42 pm

Well before.
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Post by tony ingram on Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:50 am

OK, so Cyclops is apparently dead in the current X-titles. What I'm rather confused about is...where and when did he die? Anyone?
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Post by tony ingram on Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:59 pm

And now, Cyclops is apparently back from the dead, judging by the previews of the upcoming Uncanny X-Men Annual. Doesn't anybody stay dead?
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Post by MajorHoy on Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:47 am

tony ingram wrote:And now, Cyclops is apparently back from the dead, judging by the previews of the upcoming Uncanny X-Men Annual. Doesn't anybody stay dead?
In comic books?
Hell, I'm waiting for somebody to reveal that Uncle Ben didn't really die and turn him into a major nemesis for Spider-Man!
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Post by tony ingram on Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:35 am

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:And now, Cyclops is apparently back from the dead, judging by the previews of the upcoming Uncanny X-Men Annual. Doesn't anybody stay dead?
In comic books?
Hell, I'm waiting for somebody to reveal that Uncle Ben didn't really die and turn him into a major nemesis for Spider-Man!
I think that happened a few years ago, but it turned out to be Uncle Ben from another Earth or something...
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Post by MajorHoy on Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:56 pm

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote: . . . Hell, I'm waiting for somebody to reveal that Uncle Ben didn't really die and turn him into a major nemesis for Spider-Man!
I think that happened a few years ago, but it turned out to be Uncle Ben from another Earth or something...
That's not quite the same thing.
It's not like Bucky Barnes or Jor-El.
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Post by tony ingram on Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:02 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote: . . . Hell, I'm waiting for somebody to reveal that Uncle Ben didn't really die and turn him into a major nemesis for Spider-Man!
I think that happened a few years ago, but it turned out to be Uncle Ben from another Earth or something...
That's not quite the same thing.
It's not like Bucky Barnes or Jor-El.
I'm still not convinced about Jor-El.
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Post by MajorHoy on Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:36 pm

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:That's not quite the same thing.
It's not like Bucky Barnes or Jor-El.
I'm still not convinced about Jor-El.
Well, Jor-El may be tied in to Dr. Manhattan / Doomsday Cluck, so that may not last in the long run.
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Post by tony ingram on Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:05 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:That's not quite the same thing.
It's not like Bucky Barnes or Jor-El.
I'm still not convinced about Jor-El.
Well, Jor-El may be tied in to Dr. Manhattan / Doomsday Cluck, so that may not last in the long run.
Oh, Jor-El is definitely tied in to Dr. Manhattan, and I suspect it definitely won't last.
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Post by Sam_Vimes on Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:37 am

Cyclops never should have died in the first place, so I'll allow it. Bringing Jean back again, though, was silly.
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Post by tony ingram on Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:08 pm

Sam_Vimes wrote:Cyclops never should have died in the first place, so I'll allow it. Bringing Jean back again, though, was silly.
Personally, I still think it was stupid to resurrect her back in 1986 in the firstr place. It undermined one of the stories that basically defined the X-Men, and for what? Was X-Factor really worth it? Hell, was X-Factor really worth losing The Defenders for? I don't think it was, freally, and it quickly lost its way as a series.
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Post by MajorHoy on Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:47 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Sam_Vimes wrote:Cyclops never should have died in the first place, so I'll allow it. Bringing Jean back again, though, was silly.
Personally, I still think it was stupid to resurrect her back in 1986 in the firstr place. It undermined one of the stories that basically defined the X-Men, and for what? Was X-Factor really worth it? Hell, was X-Factor really worth losing The Defenders for? I don't think it was, freally, and it quickly lost its way as a series.
The latest Cyclops isn't an X-Clone, is he? Shocked
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Post by tony ingram on Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:42 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
Sam_Vimes wrote:Cyclops never should have died in the first place, so I'll allow it. Bringing Jean back again, though, was silly.
Personally, I still think it was stupid to resurrect her back in 1986 in the firstr place. It undermined one of the stories that basically defined the X-Men, and for what? Was X-Factor really worth it? Hell, was X-Factor really worth losing The Defenders for? I don't think it was, freally, and it quickly lost its way as a series.
The latest Cyclops isn't an X-Clone, is he? Shocked
I'm not sure what he is, but I think it's safe to assume not. Seems to be the real thing, somehow resurrected by Cable.
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Post by MajorHoy on Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:44 pm

tony ingram wrote: . . . I'm not sure what he is, but I think it's safe to assume not. Seems to be the real thing, somehow resurrected by Cable.
So, Cable brought back his daddy? Question
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Post by tony ingram on Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:25 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
tony ingram wrote: . . . I'm not sure what he is, but I think it's safe to assume not. Seems to be the real thing, somehow resurrected by Cable.
So, Cable brought back his daddy? Question  
I think so. I don't think we've had the full story, yet.
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