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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:01 pm

According to a press release from the BBC Press Office today, the upcoming fourth series of The Sarah Jane Adventures sees Sarah team up with (in the same two episodes) both the 11th Doctor and veteran companion Katy Manning, once again playing Jo Grant! The two episodes are written by Russell T Davies.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:45 pm

I'll have to hurry up and get on to Pertwee.

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:17 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:I'll have to hurry up and get on to Pertwee.
Ah yes, you've yet to be exposed to Jo, haven't you? Unlike the readers of Girl Illustrated magazine...


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Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:05 pm

Oh look. A scantily-clad woman. Gosh. I've never seen THAT before.

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:09 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Oh look. A scantily-clad woman. Gosh. I've never seen THAT before.
Well, I'd dispute 'scantily clad'. Not in that one, anyway. There tends to be about the same amount of flesh on show in any Essex shopping centre on a summers day.

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Post by GBF on Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:15 pm

Oh, BTW - did you know that the Crikey! headquarters is moving to Essex??

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:17 pm

GBF wrote:Oh, BTW - did you know that the Crikey! headquarters is moving to Essex??
Glenn, trust me-it wouldn't be worth it.

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Post by Hourglass on Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:55 pm

Oh god....its written by RTD.

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Post by codywillis1 on Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:09 am

There IS a Satan.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:43 am

This is the same RTD who resurrected our show and wrote some of its best episodes, yes?

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:48 am

Lucy McGough wrote:This is the same RTD who resurrected our show and wrote some of its best episodes, yes?
Well....technically I guess the first part of that statement is correct...

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Post by codywillis1 on Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:10 am

Nah, I think that credit goes to Lorraine Heggessy, actually. Wink

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:13 am

codywillis1 wrote:Nah, I think that credit goes to Lorraine Heggessy, actually. Wink
A very good point.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:50 am

Some of the best episodes of NuWho were written by RTD. So there Razz

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:51 am

Lucy McGough wrote:Some of the best episodes of NuWho were written by RTD. So there Razz
Yes, of course they were. There was...umm...and then..there was...


.............

Well, Gridlock wasn't too bad.

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Post by codywillis1 on Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:11 am

Nah, he did write a few good 'uns, to be fair. It's the awfulness of a lot of others - and extreme awfulness of them - together with some very questionable character decisions that undermines his era so much for me.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:29 pm

Same here, Cody. I just thought it remiss of us not to acknowledge that he did do some good things.

Shame about all the shit things, eh?

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:31 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Same here, Cody. I just thought it remiss of us not to acknowledge that he did do some good things.

Shame about all the shit things, eh?
RTD was a Master of his craft.

By which, of course, I mean he frequently came across as a raving egomaniac and his elaborate schemes invariably fell apart at the end... Very Happy

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:43 pm

. . . and he was gay.

*ducks*

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:45 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:. . . and he was gay.

*ducks*
The Master is not gay! He's very much a ladies man-just ask the Queen of Atlantis!

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Post by Hourglass on Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:05 pm

RTD INSULTED FANDOM BY CALLING THEM MING MONGS, A TERM WHICH REFLECTS MENTAL RETARDATION. IN SHORT HE WAS INSULTING THE DISABLED COMMUNITY AND THE BLOODY BBC LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT. HE OPENLY WAS BEING DISCRIMINATORY AND FOR THAT SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A DRESSING DOWN. WHAT HE DID WAS EQUALLY IF NOT MORE OFFENSIVE THAN ROSS AND THAT HAIRY GUY.

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:09 pm

Hourglass wrote:RTD INSULTED FANDOM BY CALLING THEM MING MONGS, A TERM WHICH REFLECTS MENTAL RETARDATION. IN SHORT HE WAS INSULTING THE DISABLED COMMUNITY AND THE BLOODY BBC LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT. HE OPENLY WAS BEING DISCRIMINATORY AND FOR THAT SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A DRESSING DOWN. WHAT HE DID WAS EQUALLY IF NOT MORE OFFENSIVE THAN ROSS AND THAT HAIRY GUY.
Que?

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Post by Hourglass on Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:09 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s1grk-u4ac

Sums up why I hate the man

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Post by Hourglass on Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:12 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Hourglass wrote:RTD INSULTED FANDOM BY CALLING THEM MING MONGS, A TERM WHICH REFLECTS MENTAL RETARDATION. IN SHORT HE WAS INSULTING THE DISABLED COMMUNITY AND THE BLOODY BBC LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT. HE OPENLY WAS BEING DISCRIMINATORY AND FOR THAT SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A DRESSING DOWN. WHAT HE DID WAS EQUALLY IF NOT MORE OFFENSIVE THAN ROSS AND THAT HAIRY GUY.
Que?

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Mong, or Mongoloid, is derogatory term for a person affected by mental retardation. Ming Mongs was a conmen insult at school.

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:21 pm

Hourglass wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s1grk-u4ac

Sums up why I hate the man
That's brilliant! But why does RTD look like Clark Kent?

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Post by Hourglass on Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:23 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Hourglass wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s1grk-u4ac

Sums up why I hate the man
That's brilliant! But why does RTD look like Clark Kent?

Limited figures on the xnormal program, but I think it passes for RTD.

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Post by Hourglass on Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:31 pm

Anyway Lucy I hope that clip shows you what sort of man RTD truly is.

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:32 pm

Hourglass wrote:Anyway Lucy I hope that clip shows you what sort of man RTD truly is.
An Auton with a Superman fixation, by the look of him...

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Post by GBF on Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:12 pm

Steady on, chaps - all getting a little personal me thinks...let's just discuss the work.

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Post by GBF on Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:13 pm

...and "Que", I believe means "What?"...

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Post by Hourglass on Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:30 pm

GBF wrote:...and "Que", I believe means "What?"...

Who would you prefer to do the ep Glen? Moff or RTD?

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Post by GBF on Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:48 pm

Neither. As I've said, I don't think the present team (or the BBC) have a real grasp of what they have. In my opinion the show should be darker. It has to be - look at the subject matter! I don't like the current 'quirkyness' of the characters especially when they're (supposedly) confronting such creatures as the Daleks. After all, didn't Terry Nation base his 'Dalek' on a German Panzer tank - solid iron, ruthless, deadly, terrifying and almost unbeatable (Jack Kirby did the same with Doctor Doom - Kirby himself faced the SS Panzers in Bastogne in late 1944/early 1945). It's time the Doctor grew up before it's too late. Lucy argued that Doctor Who is a 'Kids' show - maybe it was. But it's time (!) the show grew up. I was eight when it was aired in 1963. Now, I'm not one of those numpties who claim they hid behind the settee when the Daleks appeared, but they were like nothing I'd seen before. I was eight and they didn't scare me so much as blow my mind. The potential has always been there, but it has been lost by crap writers and low budgets. I believe the talent is 'out there' for better work. But you can't get near...

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Post by Hourglass on Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:39 pm

I'd personally have Paul Cornell who is brilliant. Scream of the Shalka was a fine way for Dr Who to return. It was dark, gritty but modernized. Why couldn't he have been in charge Mad

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Post by Hourglass on Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:40 pm

Frankly if the boys at BF were in charge and had a US style budget, it would be the greatest TV show of all time.

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:43 pm

Hourglass wrote:I'd personally have Paul Cornell who is brilliant. Scream of the Shalka was a fine way for Dr Who to return. It was dark, gritty but modernized. Why couldn't he have been in charge Mad
Paul would be an excellent choice, I agree. His Captain Britain series for Marvel showed what a brilliant writer he is when it comes to making tired old properties fresh and new and much more hard hitting and believable.

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Post by felneymike on Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:22 pm

Hourglass wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
Hourglass wrote:RTD INSULTED FANDOM BY CALLING THEM MING MONGS, A TERM WHICH REFLECTS MENTAL RETARDATION. IN SHORT HE WAS INSULTING THE DISABLED COMMUNITY AND THE BLOODY BBC LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT. HE OPENLY WAS BEING DISCRIMINATORY AND FOR THAT SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A DRESSING DOWN. WHAT HE DID WAS EQUALLY IF NOT MORE OFFENSIVE THAN ROSS AND THAT HAIRY GUY.
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Mong, or Mongoloid, is derogatory term for a person affected by mental retardation. Ming Mongs was a conmen insult at school.

Oh jesus, and i thought you were joking at first. It's like "nazi goodness" at this steam/dieselpunk forum i used to visit... though i suppose at least you didn't start a new thread.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:05 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Hourglass wrote:Anyway Lucy I hope that clip shows you what sort of man RTD truly is.
An Auton with a Superman fixation, by the look of him...
Yes, but the woman was oddly sexy.

Some of the things RTD said about straight men would have been homophobic if a straight guy had said them about a gay man. Weird.

Oh, and Paul Cornell is made of win.

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:13 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
Hourglass wrote:Anyway Lucy I hope that clip shows you what sort of man RTD truly is.
An Auton with a Superman fixation, by the look of him...
Yes, but the woman was oddly sexy.

Some of the things RTD said about straight men would have been homophobic if a straight guy had said them about a gay man. Weird.

Oh, and Paul Cornell is made of win.
It's funny the way bigotry is apparently fine if you're an 'oppressed minority', isn't it? Smile

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:17 pm

Yes.

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Post by Hourglass on Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:26 pm

As a campaigner for the disabled and a former worker of a charity dealing with people on the autistic spectrum, I am very active in apposing such comments. Check GB, I have complained about it on there.

Tony you may find it amusing but members of the LGBT society (Lesbian Gay Transexual Bisexual society) at my uni found RTDs portrayal of gay characters as appalling and stereotypical.

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Post by Hourglass on Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:27 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:I'll have to hurry up and get on to Pertwee.
Ah yes, you've yet to be exposed to Jo, haven't you? Unlike the readers of Girl Illustrated magazine...


I had such a crush on Joe Grant as a child.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:35 am

Can't imagine why Very Happy

Yes, 'ming mongs' is offensive. RTD does have the capacity to be quite un-PC sometimes. He made Martha and Mickey get married for no discernible reason other than the fact that they were both black.

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Post by felneymike on Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:31 pm

Ah yes, i remember joining two different LGB societies at uni too... both full of bolshevik scum.

I'm glad sites like the various -chans are bringing in what i like to call "post political correctness", as in it's not so much what you say as the intent with which it is said. Brave, forward-thinking campaigners such as the band The Macc Lads started it off in the 80's but it will probably take until the 30's or 40's before the rest of society catches up.

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Post by Hourglass on Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:45 pm

felneymike wrote:Ah yes, i remember joining two different LGB societies at uni too... both full of bolshevik scum.

I'm glad sites like the various -chans are bringing in what i like to call "post political correctness", as in it's not so much what you say as the intent with which it is said. Brave, forward-thinking campaigners such as the band The Macc Lads started it off in the 80's but it will probably take until the 30's or 40's before the rest of society catches up.

Well calling them Ming Mongs was clearly a referal to their OTT behavour, suggesting they act like mad people. The "comedy sketch- we havent the ming mongs" excuse doesnt work in the context he used the phrase in. In other words a direct link to the fans and mentally ill people was made, so in this case RTD is still guilty of insulting the disabled community.

Sorry I just cant let this rest. He got away with an appalling insult, and at his level of responsibility and publicity (particularly with kids) its doesnt set a good example and he should know better.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:15 pm

felneymike wrote:Ah yes, i remember joining two different LGB societies at uni too... both full of bolshevik scum.
I say, that's a bit harsh.

Hourglass, I can understand where you're coming from.

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Post by GBF on Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:36 am

It just goes to show that all this racism, prejudice and general hatred is rife in society today - just as it always has been and, sadly, always will be. It's the way we're made...

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Post by GBF on Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:39 am

...moreover, when we all realise that, maybe we can do something about it. I'm always warey of people who say, "Well, I'm not racist - but...". I think everybody is everything. We're all to blame. Jesus, Ghandi and Lennon all had a really good idea - "why don't we all just get on?". But look what happened to those guys...

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Post by tony ingram on Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:59 am

GBF wrote:...moreover, when we all realise that, maybe we can do something about it. I'm always warey of people who say, "Well, I'm not racist - but...". I think everybody is everything. We're all to blame. Jesus, Ghandi and Lennon all had a really good idea - "why don't we all just get on?". But look what happened to those guys...
All just getting on is not, I fear, a natural characteristic for humans. We're driven by an instinctive need to be better off than the next guy.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:47 am

Stupid apes Sad

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Post by GBF on Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:54 am

We didn't evolve from apes - because if we had there would be no apes left...

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