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Post by tony ingram on Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:24 am

There are all kinds of rumours circulating about a shakeup at Marvel following AvX. The most persistent one, about a DC style reboot, I discount as highly unlikely, but some of the other suggestions have been intriguing, including a mass cancellation and relaunch of the books in the Avengers line and possibly Jonathan Hickman taking over Avengers after his run on FF finishes. Opinions, folks? Anybody?

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Mbast1 on Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:25 pm

It wouldn't be too big a surprise given what they did with their Ultimates line. I think things are going to stay ugly for comics for a while. I wouldn't be surprised at anything happening at this point.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:33 pm

I really doubt it. Marvel know their fanbase, and their fanbase are much more invested in the backstory than a lot of DC readers. They've never really thrown anything out of continuity, not in over fifty years. Well, except for John Byrne's 'Spider-Man: Chapter One', thankfully...

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Spektre on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:00 am

I don't know what to make of the big two nowadays. I never would have thought DC would have pulled the stunt it did last year, and I have to admit with the 1 year anniversary coming up, finding it less likely they will be going back.

Had hoped my goodbyes with DC were temporary last year.

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:13 am

As time passes, I'm finding I'm missing DC less and less. I've discovered a lotmore stuff that interests me outside of the big two. But it's still a shame.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:49 am

More teasers are emerging. Apparently, Rick Remender will be writing a team book called Uncanny Avengers which will include members of both the Avengers and the X-Men, while current Fantastic Four writer Jonathan Hickman moves on to Avengers and Brian Bendis writes X-Men, a new series in which the original five X-Men time travel to the present day and are less than pleased with how the world has changed.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Mbast1 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:40 pm

tony ingram wrote:X-Men, a new series in which the original five X-Men time travel to the present day and are less than pleased with how the world has changed.

Yeah, this'll go well. I mean, bringing back the E-2 Kal-L to make him look stupid while saying things older fans were saying was such a good idea.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:41 pm

Oddly enough, I thought the exact same thing...

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Post by Mbast1 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:56 pm

tony ingram wrote:Oddly enough, I thought the exact same thing...

For many reasons I hated Infinite Crisis, but this was the big one. Kal-L was made into nothing more than a cranky old man, who'd lost his mind. Not only was he used to mouth things that older fans had said, but he apparently wasn't bright enough to see what was going on around him. And then to blame other people for it. Just terrible.
And don't get me started on Identity Crisis...

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by MLP* on Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:06 am

Looks like Marvel's response to the New 52.

20 new #1s over five months :

http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/07/03/marvel-now-jean-grey-exclusive/

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:39 am

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:Oddly enough, I thought the exact same thing...

For many reasons I hated Infinite Crisis, but this was the big one. Kal-L was made into nothing more than a cranky old man, who'd lost his mind. Not only was he used to mouth things that older fans had said, but he apparently wasn't bright enough to see what was going on around him. And then to blame other people for it. Just terrible.
And don't get me started on Identity Crisis...
What they did to Kal-L was appalling. I think that's where the DCU started to go wrong, for me. Infinite Crisis #1 promised so much, but the series was really the death knell of the old DCU. And in the end, it went out with a whimper.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:45 am

MLP* wrote:Looks like Marvel's response to the New 52.

20 new #1s over five months :

http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/07/03/marvel-now-jean-grey-exclusive/
This actually has me quite excited. Not the new number 1's, because Marvel are always doing that, but some of what they're teasing. The original X-Men are old favourites (and aside from Beast, have mostly been ruined as characters in the here-and-now) so seeing them on an extended time travel adventure to the present sounds great, and I'm glad the real Red Skull is coming back: he was killed off in an absurdly anticlimactic way, and Sin was never a real substitute. I also love the Guardians of the Galaxy (and if that movie is done right, it could be a real hit). And best of all? Not a reboot!

Marvel, at least, knows its fanbase...

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Mbast1 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:36 pm

tony ingram wrote:What they did to Kal-L was appalling. I think that's where the DCU started to go wrong, for me. Infinite Crisis #1 promised so much, but the series was really the death knell of the old DCU. And in the end, it went out with a whimper.

It went out ugly, as a character who was meant to be a sweet goodbye to the old multiverse beat the E-2 Superman to death. They really only brought those characters back to malign and kill them. I just don't think there's any way it wasn't meant as an insult. I think it was there that TPTB at DC decided that the past shouldn't exist.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Sam_Vimes on Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:22 am

I intend to support this so hard. Just SO hard, you guys.

I'm especially excited about the X-Men one. I've always been fascinated by the unique dynamics of that original, utterly Wolverine-less team.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:14 am

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:What they did to Kal-L was appalling. I think that's where the DCU started to go wrong, for me. Infinite Crisis #1 promised so much, but the series was really the death knell of the old DCU. And in the end, it went out with a whimper.

It went out ugly, as a character who was meant to be a sweet goodbye to the old multiverse beat the E-2 Superman to death. They really only brought those characters back to malign and kill them. I just don't think there's any way it wasn't meant as an insult. I think it was there that TPTB at DC decided that the past shouldn't exist.
When did Didio take over?

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:16 am

Sam_Vimes wrote:I intend to support this so hard. Just SO hard, you guys.

I'm especially excited about the X-Men one. I've always been fascinated by the unique dynamics of that original, utterly Wolverine-less team.
Likewise. Though it may have something to do with the fact that my original introduction to the X-Men was sixties reprints, so they're still the 'real' X-Men to me. Wolverine and friends will always be the 'new' X-Men, and anyone who joined after Kitty or, at a push, Rogue I tend to disregard entirely.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by MLP* on Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:06 pm

Multiple Series Ending in October as Marvel NOW! Begins

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/multiple-marvel-series-ending-in-october.html

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:58 pm

Avengers Academy, Daredevil and X-Factor are going nowhere. I am, therefore, happy.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Mbast1 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:48 pm

tony ingram wrote:When did Didio take over?

I don't know, but I am almost positive he was in charge before IC.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:16 am

I think you're right.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by MLP* on Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:56 am

I like these covers :

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/matt-fraction-marvel-now-fantastic-four-ff.html

Even though Miss Thing looks bloody weird and has the campest superhero name I've heard in years ! Very Happy

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:36 am

I don't understand this whole 'create a distaff counterpart by putting 'Miss' in front of the superhero's name' thing.

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:16 am

Lucy McGough wrote:I don't understand this whole 'create a distaff counterpart by putting 'Miss' in front of the superhero's name' thing.
I know, it's horribly sexist.
That's why I prefer Ms. Marvel... Smile

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:37 am

Shouldn't Sue Richards refer to herself as Mrs Fantastic?

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:47 am

That would be silly!

Though Sue did strike a blow for feminism in the early 1980s when she renamed herself from 'Invisible Girl' to 'Invisible Woman'.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:54 am

Quite right too. I'm still waiting for a main-Earth distaff counterpart of Superman called Superwoman Sad

Who is Medusa, leader of the inhumans?

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Post by tony ingram on Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:10 am

There is actually a character called Superwoman, in fact there have been several. Lois Lane was the first to briefly use the name, then Luma Lynai, Kristin Wells and Dana Dearden, and of course there is the villainous Superwoman of the Crime Syndicate. The most recent Superwoman was Lucy Lane, sister of Lois.

Medusa, real name Queen Medusalith, is the wife of the Inhumans' King, Black Bolt, and the sister of Crystal. She has at various times led the Inhumans in Black Bolt's absence and been a substitute member of the Fantastic Four in Sue Richards's absence (as her sister was before here; Crystal filled in when Sue was on maternity leave, and Medusa later took over when Reed and Sue's marriage hit a rocky patch).

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Sam_Vimes on Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:52 am

"Miss Thing" is a common expression here in America meaning "someone who THINKS they're all that but they're NOT all that", so I don't think it's sexist so much as it is a silly joke, ala' "U-Go Girl" from X-Force/X-Statix.

EDIT: Just realized Mike Allred is to blame for both of these examples. It all makes sense now. . . .

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:56 am

Sam_Vimes wrote:"Miss Thing" is a common expression here in America meaning "someone who THINKS they're all that but they're NOT all that", so I don't think it's sexist so much as it is a silly joke, ala' "U-Go Girl" from X-Force/X-Statix.
I never understood that one either, until I looked it up.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Lucy McGough on Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:53 pm

Sam_Vimes wrote:"Miss Thing" is a common expression here in America meaning "someone who THINKS they're all that but they're NOT all that", so I don't think it's sexist so much as it is a silly joke
Thanks, Commander. That's interesting Smile

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Post by tony ingram on Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:14 pm

Thinks they're all what, exactly?

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Post by Lucy McGough on Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:20 pm

'That'. Don't you know what 'that' means? Razz

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by MajorHoy on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:26 pm

tony ingram wrote:There are all kinds of rumours circulating about a shakeup at Marvel following AvX. The most persistent one, about a DC style reboot, I discount as highly unlikely, but some of the other suggestions have been intriguing, including a mass cancellation and relaunch of the books in the Avengers line and possibly Jonathan Hickman taking over Avengers after his run on FF finishes. Opinions, folks? Anybody?
It's interesting to look at this again since we now have the new Secret Wars on the horizon.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:45 pm

"Interesting"? I would say "alarming"...

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Mbast1 on Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:07 pm

tony ingram wrote:Kristin Wells

Relating to Kristin Wells, and less Superwoman, if you haven't read Elliot S! Maggins's two Superman novels (from whence she comes) I'd really recommend them.

http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Miracle-Elliot-S-Maggin/dp/0446911968/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1423688812&sr=8-3&keywords=Elliot+S%21+Maggin

http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Last-Krypton-Elliot-Maggin/dp/0446823198/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1423688812&sr=8-5&keywords=Elliot+S%21+Maggin

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:07 pm

I have Last Son of Krypton-great book!


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Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:16 pm

I bet the ending came as a surprise!

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:29 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:I bet the ending came as a surprise!
It's not about what you think it is...

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Post by Mbast1 on Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:33 pm

tony ingram wrote:I have Last Son of Krypton-great book!

Miracle Monday is good, also. Well worth the time.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by tony ingram on Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:56 am

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:I have Last Son of Krypton-great book!

Miracle Monday is good, also. Well worth the time.
I've never actually seen a copy of that one, I might have to track one down at some point.

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Re: Changes Coming at Marvel?

Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:52 am

tony ingram wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:I bet the ending came as a surprise!
It's not about what you think it is...
It's actually a history of Themyscira?

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