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Post by Mbast1 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:52 am

I just read about a Marvel character. His name is Penance. He used to be Speedball, and was involved in the explosion that killed many people and triggered the Civil War storyline. He was presumed dead, found alive but powerless. It's found, when he's shot and in pain, that he has powers, and they work off his pain. So now, he's presumed mentally ill, and wears armor that STABS HIM to get his powers to work.
Ok, maybe I'm being weird about this, but doesn't this seem a bit, um, much, for a superhero? It sounds as if someone has been reading about too many medieval saints. Just bizarre.

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Post by Spektre on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:29 am

Sounds like someone reading the New 52.
But yes that does not sound like a fun or interesting character.

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Post by tony ingram on Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:32 pm

"Fun" and "interesting" are not words I would associate with Penance. But then, I also wouldn't associate them with the original Speedball character. Penance was a desperate attempt to make a lame character edgy and cool. Unsurprisingly, it did neither.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:06 am

Well, it may have made him edgey, but only literally.

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Post by Mbast1 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:32 pm

tony ingram wrote:Penance was a desperate attempt to make a lame character edgy and cool. Unsurprisingly, it did neither.

I don't know. I am someone who actually likes a lot of the "deconstructionist" superhero stories, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised or care, but this is mainstream stuff. It just seems too blatant an attempt to make him edgy, as you said, but it just seems creepy. Really creepy.

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Post by Mbast1 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:33 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Well, it may have made him edgey, but only literally.

I don't know what this says about me, but as bad as this joke was, I liked it.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:23 pm

Thank you Very Happy

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Sat May 04, 2013 10:21 pm

Yes, three cheers for Lucy's joke. Top-notch, Lucy!

Oh, yeah, and Penance is awful. As one of three people who would call themselves a Speedball fan I was quickly and efficiently alienated.

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Post by tony ingram on Sun May 05, 2013 7:29 am

Speedball has fans? Shocked

I could understand being a fan of Neils the bouncing cat, but Speedball?

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun May 05, 2013 1:20 pm

Sam_Vimes wrote:Yes, three cheers for Lucy's joke. Top-notch, Lucy!
Thanks, Commander Smile

tony ingram wrote:Speedball has fans? Shocked

I could understand being a fan of Neils the bouncing cat, but Speedball?
Everybody has fans. Even Zauriel. Heck, there are people who cosplay as Aquaman.

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Post by tony ingram on Sun May 05, 2013 1:24 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:
Sam_Vimes wrote:Yes, three cheers for Lucy's joke. Top-notch, Lucy!
Thanks, Commander Smile

tony ingram wrote:Speedball has fans? Shocked

I could understand being a fan of Neils the bouncing cat, but Speedball?
Everybody has fans. Even Zauriel. Heck, there are people who cosplay as Aquaman.
Yes, but I've always seen Aquaman fans as habitual supporters of the underdog.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun May 05, 2013 1:29 pm

Underfish?

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Post by tony ingram on Sun May 05, 2013 1:30 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Underfish?
Wasn't he Aqualad's little known sidekick? Razz

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun May 05, 2013 1:32 pm

I think you're confusing Aqualad with Disney's Little Mermaid, who did have a fish as a sidekick. Confusingly, the fish was called Flounder but wasn't actually a flounder.

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Post by tony ingram on Sun May 05, 2013 1:37 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:I think you're confusing Aqualad with Disney's Little Mermaid, who did have a fish as a sidekick. Confusingly, the fish was called Flounder but wasn't actually a flounder.
Ah, of course.

Aquaman and Aqualad had Topo the octopus and a couple of giant seahorses(!) called Storm and Imp (which they put bridles on and rode. Because that looks so much cooler than swimming).

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun May 05, 2013 1:40 pm

Storm is an awesome name for a seahorse. I want a giant seahorse called Storm.

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Post by tony ingram on Sun May 05, 2013 1:41 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Storm is an awesome name for a seahorse. I want a giant seahorse called Storm.
Poor Imp never gets any respect...

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun May 05, 2013 1:43 pm

That's because it's a silly name. A noble steed should be called something like Silver or Thunderbolt.

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Post by tony ingram on Sun May 05, 2013 2:01 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:That's because it's a silly name. A noble steed should be called something like Silver or Thunderbolt.
Yes.

Or Dennis.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun May 05, 2013 2:15 pm

Nobody should be called Dennis, (sea)horse or human.

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Post by tony ingram on Sun May 05, 2013 2:44 pm

Dennis Potter was called Dennis, and he was a great dramatist.
Dennis the Menace is called Dennis, and he's an iconic character.
Dennis O'Neill was one of the best Batman writers
and Dennis Nilsen was a very successful..erm, well, he was very successful in his chosen field.

Many very notable people have been called Dennis.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun May 05, 2013 3:05 pm

Dickens has a character called Dennis, in Barnaby Rudge. He's a hangman who ends up being hanged himself for taking part in the Gordon Riots.

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Post by tony ingram on Sun May 05, 2013 3:30 pm

Well, there you go, then! A hangman, a serial killer, an iconic juvenile delinquent and the bloke who wrote The Singing Detective! What more proof do you need that Dennis's are an asset to society?

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Post by Mbast1 on Mon May 06, 2013 5:28 am

tony ingram wrote:Well, there you go, then! A hangman, a serial killer, an iconic juvenile delinquent and the bloke who wrote The Singing Detective! What more proof do you need that Dennis's are an asset to society?

Yeah, sometimes I become sorry I start these conversations...

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Post by tony ingram on Mon May 06, 2013 8:10 am

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:Well, there you go, then! A hangman, a serial killer, an iconic juvenile delinquent and the bloke who wrote The Singing Detective! What more proof do you need that Dennis's are an asset to society?

Yeah, sometimes I become sorry I start these conversations...
You're just jealous because there are no famous hangmen called Mike.

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Post by Mbast1 on Tue May 07, 2013 11:29 pm

tony ingram wrote:You're just jealous because there are no famous hangmen called Mike.

Well, yeah. But I don't see what that has to do with anything!

(This is weird, but I was in a used bookstore yesterday, and there were two people there talking about exactly the topic I brought up here, Speedball and Penance. Both thought it was an odd thing to do to a character. I didn't join in but I thought it was a funny coincidence. )

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Re: Marvel has a character who... What?

Post by tony ingram on Wed May 08, 2013 6:55 am

This is the company that made a minor costumed thief called the Scarecrow into a demon possessed serial killer and a long running Spider-Man supporting character into a double amputee bonded to a hostile alien who became a covert government agent. Not to mention turning almost all of the Hulk's supporting cast into Hulks. Marvel have never been known to let good taste or common sense get in the way of a story. Razz

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Thu May 09, 2013 12:32 am

I actually rather like Flash Thompson as Venom, I have to admit.

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Post by tony ingram on Thu May 09, 2013 7:07 am

Sam_Vimes wrote:I actually rather like Flash Thompson as Venom, I have to admit.
I just didn't like the contrived way he ended up like that. One day he'd just come out of a coma he'd been in for months and was having therapy, and the next he had apparently rejoined the Army, done a tour of the Middle East and had his legs blown off, apparently between issues!

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Post by Sam_Vimes on Mon May 13, 2013 9:07 am

Well, they don't want to BORE us with that kind of stuff, now, do they? Wink

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Post by tony ingram on Mon May 13, 2013 9:24 am

Sam_Vimes wrote:Well, they don't want to BORE us with that kind of stuff, now, do they? Wink
Sounds to me like Flash had a pretty interesting couple of weeks, actually!

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Post by MajorHoy on Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:13 am

Mbast1 wrote:I just read about a Marvel character. His name is Penance. He used to be Speedball, and was involved in the explosion that killed many people and triggered the Civil War storyline. He was presumed dead, found alive but powerless. It's found, when he's shot and in pain, that he has powers, and they work off his pain. So now, he's presumed mentally ill, and wears armor that STABS HIM to get his powers to work.
Ok, maybe I'm being weird about this, but doesn't this seem a bit, um, much, for a superhero? It sounds as if someone has been reading about too many medieval saints. Just bizarre.
Next thing you know, we'll have someone who has superpowers that only become activated during orgasms.  Rolling Eyes 

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Post by Mbast1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:37 pm

MajorHoy wrote:Next thing you know, we'll have someone who has superpowers that only become activated during orgasms.  Rolling Eyes 

I swear I almost wrote, without thinking it through, "You know that's coming...".

I have issues.

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Re: Marvel has a character who... What?

Post by Lucy McGough on Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:45 pm

We all do, mate — that's why we're on here.

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