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Post by tony ingram on Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:48 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:But, but, but... the word 'you' is totally unnecessary in that sentence Sad
Bah. Get thee hence! Evil or Very Mad 

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:03 pm

What is a hence and where do I get one from?

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Mbast1 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:54 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:I think that's pretty much what happened. It was either that or the joke about Rebecca Adlington.

Which joke I didn't get. I admit, I thought the one about the Queen was funny, but I'm an American. And, for a reason I can't explain, I have a very broad but sometimes mean sense of humor. Which bothers me, but I can't seem to change it.

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Post by Mbast1 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:56 pm

MajorHoy wrote:but is that what really happened or what people assume happened?

Everything I've read (I wanted to know why he wasn't on the newer ones) says that that is what happened. He said the BBC fired him for making jokes some people didn't like, and seemed to have backed up the observations some made.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Mbast1 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:00 pm

tony ingram wrote:He's something of an acquired taste, I think.

I listened to one of his comedy concerts. Yeah, he's a bit raw, but I mostly liked it.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by MajorHoy on Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:19 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:What is a hence and where do I get one from?
You mean you never sang a song of six hence? (But why kiddies would have rye whiskey in their pockets never made any sense to me.)

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by tony ingram on Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:34 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:What is a hence and where do I get one from?
You mean you never sang a song of six hence? (But why kiddies would have rye whiskey in their pockets never made any sense to me.)
I don't think it was actually intended to be whiskey. Not according to Agatha Christie, anyway.
Although with Christie, you never could tell...

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by MajorHoy on Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:46 pm

tony ingram wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:What is a hence and where do I get one from?
You mean you never sang a song of six hence? (But why kiddies would have rye whiskey in their pockets never made any sense to me.)
I don't think it was actually intended to be whiskey. Not according to Agatha Christie, anyway.
Although with Christie, you never could tell...
Crocked off her rocker, eh?

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Lucy McGough on Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:47 am

Mbast1 wrote:Everything I've read (I wanted to know why he wasn't on the newer ones) says that that is what happened. He said the BBC fired him for making jokes some people didn't like, and seemed to have backed up the observations some made.
Yeah, there was one of those Daily Mail-led faux-outrage campaigns.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by MajorHoy on Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:58 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:
Mbast1 wrote:Everything I've read (I wanted to know why he wasn't on the newer ones) says that that is what happened. He said the BBC fired him for making jokes some people didn't like, and seemed to have backed up the observations some made.
Yeah, there was one of those Daily Mail-led faux-outrage campaigns.
Was the Daily Mail ever caught up in those phone-hacking scandals?

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Mbast1 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:20 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Yeah, there was one of those Daily Mail-led faux-outrage campaigns.

So, is the Daily Mail like Fox here, where old people are conned into reacting to anything some of them don't like by complaining about the end of the world, and trying to stop anything from making them realize it's not the 1950s?

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by tony ingram on Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:26 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:Yeah, there was one of those Daily Mail-led faux-outrage campaigns.

So, is the Daily Mail like Fox here, where old people are conned into reacting to anything some of them don't like by complaining about the end of the world, and trying to stop anything from making them realize it's not the 1950s?
I think you've got the basic idea. Essentially: immigrants, foreigners, people on benefits and anyone in a political party are all out to destroy Britain, and what we really need to do is round them all up and hang them from lamp posts.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Lucy McGough on Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:30 pm

Also, everything in the universe either causes or cures cancer. The Daily Mail is the paper of hypochondriacs.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by MajorHoy on Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:49 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Also, everything in the universe either causes or cures cancer. The Daily Mail is the paper of hypochondriacs.
But does it have gratuitous shots of women wearing next-to-nothing?

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by tony ingram on Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:15 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:Also, everything in the universe either causes or cures cancer. The Daily Mail is the paper of hypochondriacs.
But does it have gratuitous shots of women wearing next-to-nothing?
Nah, you're thinking of The Sun. Or possibly The Star.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Lucy McGough on Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:28 pm

MajorHoy wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:Also, everything in the universe either causes or cures cancer. The Daily Mail is the paper of hypochondriacs.
But does it have gratuitous shots of women wearing next-to-nothing?

Yes — on its website.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by MajorHoy on Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:45 pm

Back on topic:

Sub-Mariner


or

Aquaman

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:47 pm

Aquaman, the way he looked when he was was in Grant Morrison's JLA.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by tony ingram on Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:14 am

Subby, for me. He's Marvel's original mutant hero, he can fly and command behemoths from the deep. Aquaman, on the other hand, talks to haddock.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Lucy McGough on Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:53 am

Aquaman can totally command whales and dolphins and giant squid and all sorts! Also, he has a hook for a hand.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by tony ingram on Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:10 am

Lucy McGough wrote:Aquaman can totally command whales and dolphins and giant squid and all sorts! Also, he has a hook for a hand.
Only 90s Aquaman had a hook. But Namor has always had the Horn of Proteus. And wings on his feet.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Lucy McGough on Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:05 am

(a) Aquaman don't need no snecking horn. He can summon sea creatures using the power of his mind alone. This makes him objectively better than Namor, since he doesn't need accessories.
(b) What kind of marine deity/superhero has winged feet? Winged sandals are an attribute of Mercury, for crying out loud!
(c) Nineties Aquaman (as written by Grant Morrison) is my favo(u)rite Aquaman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102692/3346103-1353965-aquaman3.jpg

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by tony ingram on Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:58 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:(a) Aquaman don't need no snecking horn. He can summon sea creatures using the power of his mind alone. This makes him objectively better than Namor, since he doesn't need accessories.
(b) What kind of marine deity/superhero has winged feet? Winged sandals are an attribute of Mercury, for crying out loud!
(c) Nineties Aquaman (as written by Grant Morrison) is my favo(u)rite Aquaman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102692/3346103-1353965-aquaman3.jpg
Yes. There's nothing quite as impressive as a bloke who spends his entire life swimming underwater, who nonetheless inexplicaby chooses to wear pointless but extremely heavy metal body armour on just one arm and side. Because that's not going to hamper his movement or drag him down in any way.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Lucy McGough on Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:14 pm

Who cares? It looks cool!

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by MajorHoy on Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:19 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:Who cares? It looks cool!
Do you also wear ridiculously painful and impractical mile-high stiletto high heels because "they look bitchin' cool"?

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Lucy McGough on Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:25 pm

I know I'll never look cool, but I'm not the king of Atlantis.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by MajorHoy on Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:00 pm

Okay, how about . . .





Robin?

* Golden Age Dick (who grew up to become . . . Robin)


* Silver / Bronze / Modern Age Dick (who grew up to become . . . Nightwing)

* Jason Todd (who died and became . . . Red Hood)

* Tim Drake (who became Red Robin, but now was never "adjective-less-Robin")

* Stephanie Brown (Spoiler / Robin / Batgirl / back to Spoiler soon)

* Damian Wayne (who grew up to become . . . no, wait, he didn't grow up; he's dead at the moment)

* Carrie Kelley (from The Dark Knight Returns)


* Helena Wayne (from New 52 Earth 2; became Huntress on Prime Earth.)


That should be enough . . . we won't worry about the others.


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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:05 pm

Robin of Earth Two, without a doubt.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Mbast1 on Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:54 pm

MajorHoy wrote:Okay, how about . . .

I always liked the Golden Age Robin. Final costume, and Ambassador. Thought it was cool.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by MajorHoy on Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:10 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:Okay, how about . . .

I always liked the Golden Age Robin. Final costume, and Ambassador. Thought it was cool.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Philip K Ditko on Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:17 pm

The pre-Crisis Jason Todd, as written by Doug Moench, was the only Robin I liked.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:35 pm

Philip K Ditko wrote:The pre-Crisis Jason Todd, as written by Doug Moench, was the only Robin I liked.
I liked the original Jason (though not as much as the Earth Two Dick Grayson). Sadly, his post-COIE (or rather, post-Batman #400) incarnation was an obnoxious waste of space.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by MajorHoy on Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:39 pm

tony ingram wrote:
Philip K Ditko wrote:The pre-Crisis Jason Todd, as written by Doug Moench, was the only Robin I liked.
I liked the original Jason (though not as much as the Earth Two Dick Grayson). Sadly, his post-COIE (or rather, post-Batman #400) incarnation was an obnoxious waste of space.
But his pre-CoIE version was such a Dick-clone, right down to the circus background and parents killed by a bad guy (in this case, it was Croc when he was actually a criminal mastermind and not some dimwit hiding in the sewers all the time).

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by tony ingram on Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:42 pm

Maybe, but I still liked him better. Maybe it was just Moench's great writing on that run. It's still my favourite era for Batman.

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Re: Who is Better (Character Comparison Thread)

Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:54 pm

Stephanie Brown, just because.

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