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Post by MajorHoy on Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:22 am

First appearing in 1956, Kathy Kane was "Batwoman" in the pre-CoIE DC universe, later meeting her death in 1979. More recently, the character was revived by Grant Morrison in the pages of Batman Incorporated, though there had been references to the earlier Batwoman prior to that.







You can see the full story at Atomic Surgery.

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by Lucy McGough on Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:07 am

That's a great story Smile

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:52 am

Lucy McGough wrote:That's a great story Smile
She was a fun character, as was Betty Kane as Bat-Girl.


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Post by Lucy McGough on Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:56 am

Most of the stories about female bat-based heroes seem to centre around people telling them, "You must never be Batwoman/girl again! It's far too dangerous!"

Glad Batwoman got another outing after Batman nicked her portrait, though.

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:16 am

Some further cover appearances of Kathy Kane as Batwoman:







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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:45 am





and while it wasn't Kathy Kane as Batwoman, . . .


if you want to talk about slightly silly bad guys, . . .

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:04 am

Silogramsam wrote:
You're getting a wee bit ahead of me, son.








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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:43 pm





Ah, the realism of the early 1960s comic books!

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:29 pm

"Good grief! Batman and Robin have been transformed into alien beings with enormous bosoms!"

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Post by MajorHoy on Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:45 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:"Good grief! Batman and Robin have been transformed into alien beings with enormous bosoms!"
I think they have more of a uni-chest than developed melons.  Razz 

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by Mbast1 on Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:57 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:"Good grief! Batman and Robin have been transformed into alien beings with enormous bosoms!"

Looks more like they've got COPD.

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:57 pm


(NOTE: That's Batwoman in the Baymobile along with Robin)




(Okay, Batwoman didn't make the cover, but how can I pass on Bat-Girl and Bat-Mite?  Laughing 



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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:45 pm

While she wasn't on the cover, Kathy made a brief appearance in Batman #147.




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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by Lucy McGough on Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:26 pm

"That kissing bug!" Very Happy

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:48 am

Lucy McGough wrote:"That kissing bug!" Very Happy
Y'know, since she was so easily fooled by the silhouette from a cardboard shape, it's unbelievable that she wasn't killed by some amazingly obscure loser Batman villain back then.

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:45 pm

Batwoman appeared in several issues of Batman and Detective Comics after Batman #147, but her next cover appearance was Detective Comics #307.



That was followed by Batman #153.


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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by tony ingram on Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:57 pm

But was she an Earth One or an earth Two character? Or both?

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:45 am

tony ingram wrote:But was she an Earth One or an earth Two character? Or both?
I'm not sure, but I think she was an Earth-One character originally. With a first appearance in 1956, that would generally be thought of more as early Silver Age rather than Golden Age.

Later on, though, they introduced the idea of there also being an Earth-2 version in a couple of Brave and the Bold appearances.


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Post by tony ingram on Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:13 am

Bat-Girl, meanwhile, was very definitely an Earth One character (I don't think we ever saw an Earth Two version) and yet when Alex Luthor recreated Earth Two in Infinite Crisis, Bette Kane was transported there along with the JSA. All very confused.

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:22 am

By the way, happened to stumble across this:



from June 14th, 2006: "Criminals Are A Superstitious Cowardly Lot"
http://www.politedissent.com/index.php?s=sheldon+moldoff&submit=search

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by tony ingram on Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:27 am

Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Post by Mbast1 on Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:33 pm

tony ingram wrote:All very confused.

I think it's another of those things that came about because the writer forgot where people were supposed to go. It's never bothered me, as I think the idea that Crisis was necessary because of these mistakes was ludicrous, but some people are bothered.
I do wonder how Geoff Johns got a reputation as someone who loves DC's older stuff. He seems to either not know or doesn't care about a lot of things from Pre-Crisis times. Which is fine, do what you need to do for the story (except Infinite Crisis which was supposed to build on history but kept getting it wrong) but don't get that reputation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bette_Kane

"Flamebird appeared in Infinite Crisis #4 to fight Superboy-Prime. In this storyline, it was indicated that Flamebird had originally been the Earth-Two counterpart to Bat-Girl, and that after the Crisis on Infinite Earths, Flamebird had replaced Bat-Girl on the sole remaining Earth. Flamebird, along with most of the Justice Society, disappeared when Earth-Two was reborn."

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:47 pm

That confuses matters even more, since 'Flamebird' never existed pre-Crisis (not that Flamebird, anyway). Sometimes, I wish the Anti-Monitor's antimatter wave would consume Wikipedia...

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Post by Mbast1 on Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:33 pm

tony ingram wrote:That confuses matters even more, since 'Flamebird' never existed pre-Crisis (not that Flamebird, anyway). Sometimes, I wish the Anti-Monitor's antimatter wave would consume Wikipedia...

I think it was meant to be that Flamebird DID exist Pre-Crisis, we just never saw her. And then, like Powergirl, she became the version saved in Crisis, and so we saw her after. That's what I get out of it.

I find Wikipedia to be useful. Not always correct, but mostly useful.

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:41 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:That confuses matters even more, since 'Flamebird' never existed pre-Crisis (not that Flamebird, anyway). Sometimes, I wish the Anti-Monitor's antimatter wave would consume Wikipedia...

I think it was meant to be that Flamebird DID exist Pre-Crisis, we just never saw her. And then, like Powergirl, she became the version saved in Crisis, and so we saw her after. That's what I get out of it.

I find Wikipedia to be useful. Not always correct, but mostly useful.
I think if she existed pre-Crisis it would logically have been as a previously unconfirmed Bat-Girl of Earth Two, since there was a Batwoman of Earth Two.

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Post by Mbast1 on Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:40 pm

tony ingram wrote:I think if she existed pre-Crisis it would logically have been as a previously unconfirmed Bat-Girl of Earth Two, since there was a Batwoman of Earth Two.

Given the way female characters are often just derivatives of the males, sure, this is probably what she would have been called if she were shown. But, then we have Powergirl. So, it's not an absolute.
Plus, let's be honest, they're really just making it up as they go along.

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Post by tony ingram on Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:55 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
Plus, let's be honest, they're really just making it up as they go along.
I am shocked that you could even suggest such a thing!

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Post by Mbast1 on Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:15 pm

tony ingram wrote:I am shocked that you could even suggest such a thing!

I feel as though I should say something about gambling.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:38 pm

tony ingram wrote:Sometimes, I wish the Anti-Monitor's antimatter wave would consume Wikipedia...
Noooooooooooo! affraid

I like Wikipedia. I give them money every year.

Mbast1 wrote:female characters are often just derivatives of the males

Distaff counterparts, innit.

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Post by MajorHoy on Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:42 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
tony ingram wrote:I am shocked that you could even suggest such a thing!
I feel as though I should say something about gambling.


But he doesn't have anything to do with this, does he?

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:45 pm

Gotta love a man in a frilled shirt. Very Jon Pertwee.

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Post by tony ingram on Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:06 pm

Ah, Steven Sharpe III! A very underrated villain.

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Post by Mbast1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:23 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:I like Wikipedia. I give them money every year.

Same here.

Lucy McGough wrote:Distaff counterparts, innit.

Sure, but it would be nice for them to have their own identities.

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Post by Mbast1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:26 pm

MajorHoy wrote:But he doesn't have anything to do with this, does he?

Better him than this, I guess:

http://www.tvacres.com/west_gambler.htm

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:08 pm

Mbast1 wrote:
MajorHoy wrote:But he doesn't have anything to do with this, does he?
Better him than this, I guess:

http://www.tvacres.com/west_gambler.htm
I like the song, though.
(Somewhere among my vinyl record albums I think I have a Best of Kenny Rogers collection. It might even have his duet with Dolly Parton, Islands in the Stream.)

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by tony ingram on Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:11 pm

Why does the title "Islands in the Stream" always make me imagine Dolly Parton lying in the bath?

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Re: Original Batwoman (Kathy Kane)

Post by MajorHoy on Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:42 am

tony ingram wrote:Why does the title "Islands in the Stream" always make me imagine Dolly Parton lying in the bath?
Or doing the backstroke?

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